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In France to get into an elite STEM university ("engineering school") students all take the same maths/physics/CS exams and the overall grade is the only factor
by erostrate 6y ago
In France to get into an elite STEM university ("engineering school") students all take the same maths/physics/CS exams and the overall grade is the only factor deciding admission. Everything is state funded.
It's not perfect, but it levels the playing field a lot more than other systems. And it's good at making sure talented but poor students have access to the best programs. At those the level is high, for example the best math program probably has the highest Fields medal per student ratio of any university in the world.
The downside is that universities and engineering schools are small and underfunded so they don't stand out in worldwide rankings.
How do rich people game the system? They can to some extent game it earlier, putting their kids in better high schools. But the kids will still have to take the same exams. So generally they just avoid this system and put their kids into business schools, which are not state funded and where admission is based on much softer and game-able criteria. Or they send them to US universities.
- koonsolo 6y agoSame in Belgium and Netherlands. There is no reason to send your kids to private schools, since the state funded schooling system is already good enough. Same goes for universities (don't know about the impact on research though, just talking about education here) And I also highly doubt that graduating a "prestige" university really makes much difference here. If you want to make more money, start your own business. In my opinion, a lot of problems in US come from the fact that they don't offer proper education to the lower class. In Europe it's great to share a class with kids from all kinds of backgrounds.
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- bzb5 6y agoYou are comparing European culture to Anglo culture. That’s pears to oranges. Not saying one is better than the other, but they work differently.