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No, I meant the pronunciation!

by MiroF 6y ago

arcticbull 6y ago
Haha it’s should be the same - but maybe that’s because I learned French in Canada.
- Galanwe 6y ago
  It's different, though maybe native English speakers will struggle because there is no equivalent of "é". "et", "è", "ai" are all pronounced the same. Similar to the "e" in "best". For "é" and "er" I struggle to find a definite English equivalent sound. Sometimes "a" is close, but it depends on the accent of the speaker. Maybe the best example is just the last "é" when pronouncing "Beyoncé" or "fiancée"
  - MiroF 6y ago
    > "e" in "best". But I pronounce chachet nothing like the e in best. It seems much more similar to a french "é" This is how I pronounce it: https://www.google.com/search?q=cachet+pronunciation&oq=cachet+p&aqs=chrome.0.69i59j69i57j0l6.1266j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 https://www.google.com/search?q=cachet+pronunciation&oq=cach...
    - Galanwe 6y ago
      Then you don't pronounce it well :D The link you gave me looks like someone with a strong English accent trying to pronounce French (which make sense for an AI)
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      - hombre_fatal 6y ago
        No, it's someone speaking the anglicised pronunciation which is correct in English just like for the other 1000s of borrowed French words in English. Though you'll be happy to know that where I grew up in Texas, everyone tried to pronounce "croissant" the French way when (and only when) ordering one at a deli counter. But we weren't far from Paris, Texas.
        Galanwe 6y ago
        I did not say the audio clip pronunciation is wrong. I said it was pronounced with an English accent, which bounces a bit the vowels, though the sound of "è" is correct. What I said is incorrect, is the parent poster saying it sounds closer to "é" than the sound of "best". If you can't tell the difference, too bad for you, but that doesn't make you right. "è" (or "et" in French) is pronounced /ɛ/. Wikipedia will confirm that this is indeed the same sound as in "best" (/ˈbɛst/). https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/best https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/best "é" is not the same sound. It's pronounced /e/ like in "fiancée" (/fiˈɑnseɪ/) https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/fianc%C3%A9e https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/fianc%C3%A9e > anglicised pronunciation which is correct in English All the links I have posted are for the anglicised version of the French words.
        MiroF 6y ago
        > I said it was pronounced with an English accent, Cachet is an english word in this context, so how could the English pronunciation be incorrect? > "è" (or "et" in French) is pronounced /ɛ/. Wikipedia will confirm that this is indeed the same sound as in "best" Yep. > "é" is not the same sound. It's pronounced /e/ like in "fiancée" Also yep. Nobody is disputing you on those. The problem is when you're saying that the english pronunciation for an english word is incorrect." It can't be. Cachet, in this context, is an english word and this is the english pronunciation.
      - arcticbull 6y ago
        The link is right, it's pronounced "cash, eh?". Which is basically the same way you'd pronounced "caché" in French.
        Galanwe 6y ago
        > Which is basically the same way you'd pronounced "caché" in French Just... No. I don't get it, what is wrong with you people for trying to teach a French how a French word is pronounced?! "é" is pronounced /e/ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Close-mid_front_unrounded_vowel https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Close-mid_front_unrounded_vo... "è" is pronounced /ɛ/ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-mid_front_unrounded_vowel https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-mid_front_unrounded_vow... The Wikipedia page contains audio samples which are accurate. "cachet" (phonetically "cachè") is definitely pronounced differently than "caché". The difference may seem subtle and inexistant for English speakers, but for native French speakers it's definitely different sounds... I don't understand what is the point of arguing when a native speaker + Wikipedia tell you that you're wrong.
        arcticbull 6y ago
        lol, I speak French. Québecois French, but still. I'm not telling you how it's pronounced in French, I'm suggesting how I pronounce it in English using French as a reference. I don't really think an accent aigu sounds anything like an accent grave. I don't pronounce "cachet" as "cachè" but rather "caché".
        Galanwe 6y ago
        Indeed, I got confused reading the English pronunciation on wiktionnary. You are right it's pronounced like "caché" in English. My apologies.
        arcticbull 6y ago
        Nothing to apologize for! That's what I love about HN, we're all here to learn. Leave the apologizing to us Canadians ;)
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No, I meant the pronunciation!

by MiroF 6y ago

No, I meant the pronunciation!

arcticbull 6y ago

Haha it’s should be the same - but maybe that’s because I learned French in Canada.

Galanwe 6y ago
It's different, though maybe native English speakers will struggle because there is no equivalent of "é". "et", "è", "ai" are all pronounced the same. Similar to the "e" in "best". For "é" and "er" I struggle to find a definite English equivalent sound. Sometimes "a" is close, but it depends on the accent of the speaker. Maybe the best example is just the last "é" when pronouncing "Beyoncé" or "fiancée"
- MiroF 6y ago
  > "e" in "best". But I pronounce chachet nothing like the e in best. It seems much more similar to a french "é" This is how I pronounce it: https://www.google.com/search?q=cachet+pronunciation&oq=cachet+p&aqs=chrome.0.69i59j69i57j0l6.1266j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 https://www.google.com/search?q=cachet+pronunciation&oq=cach...
  - Galanwe 6y ago
    Then you don't pronounce it well :D The link you gave me looks like someone with a strong English accent trying to pronounce French (which make sense for an AI)
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    - hombre_fatal 6y ago
      No, it's someone speaking the anglicised pronunciation which is correct in English just like for the other 1000s of borrowed French words in English. Though you'll be happy to know that where I grew up in Texas, everyone tried to pronounce "croissant" the French way when (and only when) ordering one at a deli counter. But we weren't far from Paris, Texas.
      - Galanwe 6y ago
        I did not say the audio clip pronunciation is wrong. I said it was pronounced with an English accent, which bounces a bit the vowels, though the sound of "è" is correct. What I said is incorrect, is the parent poster saying it sounds closer to "é" than the sound of "best". If you can't tell the difference, too bad for you, but that doesn't make you right. "è" (or "et" in French) is pronounced /ɛ/. Wikipedia will confirm that this is indeed the same sound as in "best" (/ˈbɛst/). https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/best https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/best "é" is not the same sound. It's pronounced /e/ like in "fiancée" (/fiˈɑnseɪ/) https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/fianc%C3%A9e https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/fianc%C3%A9e > anglicised pronunciation which is correct in English All the links I have posted are for the anglicised version of the French words.
        MiroF 6y ago
        > I said it was pronounced with an English accent, Cachet is an english word in this context, so how could the English pronunciation be incorrect? > "è" (or "et" in French) is pronounced /ɛ/. Wikipedia will confirm that this is indeed the same sound as in "best" Yep. > "é" is not the same sound. It's pronounced /e/ like in "fiancée" Also yep. Nobody is disputing you on those. The problem is when you're saying that the english pronunciation for an english word is incorrect." It can't be. Cachet, in this context, is an english word and this is the english pronunciation.
    - arcticbull 6y ago
      The link is right, it's pronounced "cash, eh?". Which is basically the same way you'd pronounced "caché" in French.
      - Galanwe 6y ago
        > Which is basically the same way you'd pronounced "caché" in French Just... No. I don't get it, what is wrong with you people for trying to teach a French how a French word is pronounced?! "é" is pronounced /e/ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Close-mid_front_unrounded_vowel https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Close-mid_front_unrounded_vo... "è" is pronounced /ɛ/ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-mid_front_unrounded_vowel https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-mid_front_unrounded_vow... The Wikipedia page contains audio samples which are accurate. "cachet" (phonetically "cachè") is definitely pronounced differently than "caché". The difference may seem subtle and inexistant for English speakers, but for native French speakers it's definitely different sounds... I don't understand what is the point of arguing when a native speaker + Wikipedia tell you that you're wrong.
        arcticbull 6y ago
        lol, I speak French. Québecois French, but still. I'm not telling you how it's pronounced in French, I'm suggesting how I pronounce it in English using French as a reference. I don't really think an accent aigu sounds anything like an accent grave. I don't pronounce "cachet" as "cachè" but rather "caché".
        Galanwe 6y ago
        Indeed, I got confused reading the English pronunciation on wiktionnary. You are right it's pronounced like "caché" in English. My apologies.
        arcticbull 6y ago
        Nothing to apologize for! That's what I love about HN, we're all here to learn. Leave the apologizing to us Canadians ;)
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