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Before human industrialization, was there not various types of erosion and droughts? Was temperature also completely static and never rose or fell? This is a po

Before human industrialization, was there not various types of erosion and droughts? Was temperature also completely static and never rose or fell? This is a poor article. I don’t knock this author for caring deeply, but those of us who are older than 18 might remember living through past environmental scares that never came to pass.

GekkePrutser 6y ago
It did of course. There were I've ages and warmer times. But they didn't change nearly as fast as they do now.
GekkePrutser 6y ago
By the way of by the other scares you mean the ozone layer gap and acid rain, those just didn't progress because of rapid action by the international community. Like banning Freon. If the alarm hadn't been sounded they'd have been a huge problem now. Unfortunately the climate problem is much bigger as a problem and the economic impact, which is why everyone keeps making promises but not doing much :(
cls59 6y ago
Sure, temperatures have changed before. But the rate of change this time around is as much of a problem as the amount of change: https://xkcd.com/1732/ https://xkcd.com/1732/
- sintaxi 6y ago
  Please consider not getting your supporting evidence from a comic strip. As you can see by the full data set Randall Munroe truncated the time scale to fabricate his narrative. Here is the same data set he used except going back 800k years instead of 20k... https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/global-warming/temperature-change https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/global-warming/temperature-change
  - thundergolfer 6y ago
    Munroe is just communicating the well known and scientifically produced ‘hockey stick graph’. Looking at your linked 800k graph it’s impossible to see the effects of the 1800 AD to 2000 AD period, which is where all the interest is. I think you’re confused about what Munroe is communicating in his comic.
    - sintaxi 6y ago
      You must not be aware that the "hockey stick" graph did not hold up in a court of Law when challenged by Tim Ball. Michael Mann was ordered by the Supreme Court of British Columbia to produce the science behind the "hockey stick" graph and when he failed the judge ruled that Mann had committed contempt of court.

GekkePrutser 6y ago

It did of course. There were I've ages and warmer times. But they didn't change nearly as fast as they do now.

GekkePrutser 6y ago

By the way of by the other scares you mean the ozone layer gap and acid rain, those just didn't progress because of rapid action by the international community. Like banning Freon. If the alarm hadn't been sounded they'd have been a huge problem now. Unfortunately the climate problem is much bigger as a problem and the economic impact, which is why everyone keeps making promises but not doing much :(

cls59 6y ago

Sure, temperatures have changed before. But the rate of change this time around is as much of a problem as the amount of change: https://xkcd.com/1732/ https://xkcd.com/1732/

sintaxi 6y ago
Please consider not getting your supporting evidence from a comic strip. As you can see by the full data set Randall Munroe truncated the time scale to fabricate his narrative. Here is the same data set he used except going back 800k years instead of 20k... https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/global-warming/temperature-change https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/global-warming/temperature-change
- thundergolfer 6y ago
  Munroe is just communicating the well known and scientifically produced ‘hockey stick graph’. Looking at your linked 800k graph it’s impossible to see the effects of the 1800 AD to 2000 AD period, which is where all the interest is. I think you’re confused about what Munroe is communicating in his comic.
  - sintaxi 6y ago
    You must not be aware that the "hockey stick" graph did not hold up in a court of Law when challenged by Tim Ball. Michael Mann was ordered by the Supreme Court of British Columbia to produce the science behind the "hockey stick" graph and when he failed the judge ruled that Mann had committed contempt of court.