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Depends. So who should win the 100 m olympics? someone who is fastest or someone who was discriminated against? Which team should win the football match? the te

Depends. So who should win the 100 m olympics? someone who is fastest or someone who was discriminated against? Which team should win the football match? the team that scores the most points or should the background of the players be a criteria?

ben_e 6y ago
Education isn’t a zero sum game.
- 0x6862 6y ago
  University admission is for those on the margin, since the positions are limited
curiousllama 6y ago
Admissions counselors aren't arbitrating a match, they're predicting success and shaping an environment. Who's going to be more successful: someone tutored, mentored, and cajoled to a 1500 SAT or someone who never had sh*t and got a 1450 cold?
- tw600040 6y ago
  //Who's going to be more successful: someone tutored, mentored, and cajoled to a 1500 SAT or someone who never had sht and got a 1450 cold? Yeah, so who should be given gold in olympics? someone who was trained and mentored and finished first or someone who never had sht and ran slower?
  - GavinMcG 6y ago
    College admissions isn't the finish line of "who is best". It's a starting point for developing potential, and thereafter college still isn't a competition to see who is best.
  - stbtrax 6y ago
    Your analogy doesn't follow GP's logic. It's more like: do you want to watch olympics where rich kids with sports coaches do mediocre to well, or do you want to watch an Olympics where a state-sponsored scholarship program gives you the best of the best amongst poor/middle-class/rich people because talent is not distributed only amongst the rich.
- tomrod 6y ago
  Insufficient information to determine an answer.
tassl 6y ago
That's a false analogy. Genetics can beat training but discrimination cannot be overcome without intervention. I'm a strong believer in equality of opportunities, but I feel that's constantly misunderstood. If your family can pay you a tutor, you're given more opportunities. If you don't have to work after school, you're given more opportunities. If your family is educated and can give you guidance, you're given more opportunities. If your parents can pay for electricity, yes, you're given more opportunities. We can keep going, but the privileged trend to think everything they got is due to their effort. Somebody that has a lower score than you might deserve access to a better university that you. I was "privileged" growing up. We always had food in our plates; we couldn't dine out but my parents loved me and I could study at night. I had to work while studying but it was not the worst that I have seen. I was the first of my family going to a university but at least my parents understood that education was important and reinforced that in me.
- jlawson 6y ago
  >discrimination cannot be overcome without intervention There have been many people in history who have overcome discrimination without intervention, so this can't be true. Just because it's harder doesn't mean it's impossible. Did you mean to say something more specific?
  - srean 6y ago
    I think its quite clear what he/she meant. You are trying to draw him into a debate that I cannot accept to be clean in good faith. That there are a few can pull it off is not relevant when the scale we are talking about is India's population. Why not the state bankrupt you of all possessions. Its not impossible to rise up from such a situation. It has been done before.
jobigoud 6y ago
There is actually a related system in place at the Olympics which few people talk about. Only 3 people of each country are allowed to compete in a given event. This has led to many athletes in the top 10 worldwide to not be able to participate because they are from a dominating country. For example Kenyans in 3000 steeple.
- brokenmachine 6y ago
  Good point. Lol, also things like Eric "The Eel" Moussambani at the Sydney 2000 Olympics.
colinmhayes 6y ago
Admissions aren't about winning the race, they're about institutions deciding who has the most potential to win. In that way they are comparable to sporting drafts where people are absolutely chosen over better players because the team believes they have greater potential.

ben_e 6y ago

Education isn’t a zero sum game.

0x6862 6y ago
University admission is for those on the margin, since the positions are limited

curiousllama 6y ago

Admissions counselors aren't arbitrating a match, they're predicting success and shaping an environment. Who's going to be more successful: someone tutored, mentored, and cajoled to a 1500 SAT or someone who never had sh*t and got a 1450 cold?

tw600040 6y ago
//Who's going to be more successful: someone tutored, mentored, and cajoled to a 1500 SAT or someone who never had sht and got a 1450 cold? Yeah, so who should be given gold in olympics? someone who was trained and mentored and finished first or someone who never had sht and ran slower?
- GavinMcG 6y ago
  College admissions isn't the finish line of "who is best". It's a starting point for developing potential, and thereafter college still isn't a competition to see who is best.
- stbtrax 6y ago
  Your analogy doesn't follow GP's logic. It's more like: do you want to watch olympics where rich kids with sports coaches do mediocre to well, or do you want to watch an Olympics where a state-sponsored scholarship program gives you the best of the best amongst poor/middle-class/rich people because talent is not distributed only amongst the rich.
tomrod 6y ago
Insufficient information to determine an answer.

tassl 6y ago

That's a false analogy. Genetics can beat training but discrimination cannot be overcome without intervention. I'm a strong believer in equality of opportunities, but I feel that's constantly misunderstood. If your family can pay you a tutor, you're given more opportunities. If you don't have to work after school, you're given more opportunities. If your family is educated and can give you guidance, you're given more opportunities. If your parents can pay for electricity, yes, you're given more opportunities. We can keep going, but the privileged trend to think everything they got is due to their effort. Somebody that has a lower score than you might deserve access to a better university that you. I was "privileged" growing up. We always had food in our plates; we couldn't dine out but my parents loved me and I could study at night. I had to work while studying but it was not the worst that I have seen. I was the first of my family going to a university but at least my parents understood that education was important and reinforced that in me.

jlawson 6y ago
>discrimination cannot be overcome without intervention There have been many people in history who have overcome discrimination without intervention, so this can't be true. Just because it's harder doesn't mean it's impossible. Did you mean to say something more specific?
- srean 6y ago
  I think its quite clear what he/she meant. You are trying to draw him into a debate that I cannot accept to be clean in good faith. That there are a few can pull it off is not relevant when the scale we are talking about is India's population. Why not the state bankrupt you of all possessions. Its not impossible to rise up from such a situation. It has been done before.

jobigoud 6y ago

There is actually a related system in place at the Olympics which few people talk about. Only 3 people of each country are allowed to compete in a given event. This has led to many athletes in the top 10 worldwide to not be able to participate because they are from a dominating country. For example Kenyans in 3000 steeple.

brokenmachine 6y ago
Good point. Lol, also things like Eric "The Eel" Moussambani at the Sydney 2000 Olympics.

colinmhayes 6y ago

Admissions aren't about winning the race, they're about institutions deciding who has the most potential to win. In that way they are comparable to sporting drafts where people are absolutely chosen over better players because the team believes they have greater potential.