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> After some digging, I realized that just 10% of the population pays about 71-72% of the taxes. Keep in mind you're talking about a local municipality which i

> After some digging, I realized that just 10% of the population pays about 71-72% of the taxes. Keep in mind you're talking about a local municipality which is going to receive a large chunk of its revenue from property taxes, fees, sales tax etc. From https://www.ibo.nyc.ny.us/iboreports/understandingthebudget.pdf https://www.ibo.nyc.ny.us/iboreports/understandingthebudget.... The breakdown is: 29% Property Tax 17% State Grants 13% Personal Income Tax 10% Federal Grants 8% General Sales Tax 8% Fees and Fines (Non-Tax) 7% Business Income Tax 4% RE Taxes 4% Other Taxes Some of these will hit the wealthy more than others (eg: Biz and Personal Income Taxes) but revenues aren't going to drop by 71-72%. I know in America taxes are super taboo but there's also nothing wrong with raising taxes on the rest of the city to cover any gap.

throwaway0a5e 6y ago
Or <gasp> reducing services to balance the budget. God forbid they only fill the potholes people complain about. Edit: the pothole was supposed to be a metaphor for something the city does but could do a lot less of without people actually being badly affected.
- free_rms 6y ago
  The richest city on the planet can't afford to fill potholes?
- gumby 6y ago
  people typically only complain about them when they have caused damage to their vehicle. lazy evaluation of maintenance is more expensive in the long run.
- bilbo0s 6y ago
  That's the great thing about being NYC. That 10% of people funding everything are not the typical two or three hundred thousand a year guys that pay taxes in other cities. They are billionaires, most of whom are not even in real estate, who own skyscrapers, or the leases, all over Manhattan. Oftentimes just for vanity, or even just bragging rights over their wife's brother's skyscrapers. (I'm serious. This happened, I was there. And it was at that point I decided some people just had too much money.) When money like that is available to a city, you end up with infrastructure projects of the scale NYC has, the ability to tell your state "thanks but no thanks", Oh, and police departments with intelligence units that outstrip the capabilities of the intelligence apparatus in most Asian and South American nations. The average american has no frame of reference for the kind of wealth at the disposal of NYC. I say, let them fix all the potholes. Regular people may as well get something out of it.
robocat 6y ago
The highest earning 1 percent of New York City residents generated 43 percent of city income taxes From (biased but presumably factual): https://www.empirecenter.org/publications/nycs-high-income-tax-habit/ https://www.empirecenter.org/publications/nycs-high-income-t... Edit: just trying to add info, not bias the conversation! Maybe also relevant: https://www.visualcapitalist.com/3d-map-the-u-s-cities-with-the-highest-economic-output/ https://www.visualcapitalist.com/3d-map-the-u-s-cities-with-...
- free_rms 6y ago
  So that's 43% of 13%, call it 5%. A far cry from 71. And if I'm not mistaken, the city still gets that money as long as the job is located there anyways.
  - julianapostate 6y ago
    That’s 1% not the 10% from the original comment
    - free_rms 6y ago
      Ok, but it's still out of 13, so maybe we're going for 8?
  - soldierof4chan 6y ago
    A common misconception. You don't pay NYC income taxes if you don't live in NYC. It also stands to reason that other tax receipts will go down if people move away e.g. rents go down -> propery values assessed downwards -> taxes decrease.
gridlockd 6y ago
> I know in America taxes are super taboo but there's also nothing wrong with raising taxes on the rest of the city to cover any gap. Raising taxes does not necessarily increase tax revenue. Is the last guy on the sinking ship going to pick up the tab for everyone?

throwaway0a5e 6y ago

Or <gasp> reducing services to balance the budget. God forbid they only fill the potholes people complain about. Edit: the pothole was supposed to be a metaphor for something the city does but could do a lot less of without people actually being badly affected.

free_rms 6y ago
The richest city on the planet can't afford to fill potholes?
gumby 6y ago
people typically only complain about them when they have caused damage to their vehicle. lazy evaluation of maintenance is more expensive in the long run.
bilbo0s 6y ago
That's the great thing about being NYC. That 10% of people funding everything are not the typical two or three hundred thousand a year guys that pay taxes in other cities. They are billionaires, most of whom are not even in real estate, who own skyscrapers, or the leases, all over Manhattan. Oftentimes just for vanity, or even just bragging rights over their wife's brother's skyscrapers. (I'm serious. This happened, I was there. And it was at that point I decided some people just had too much money.) When money like that is available to a city, you end up with infrastructure projects of the scale NYC has, the ability to tell your state "thanks but no thanks", Oh, and police departments with intelligence units that outstrip the capabilities of the intelligence apparatus in most Asian and South American nations. The average american has no frame of reference for the kind of wealth at the disposal of NYC. I say, let them fix all the potholes. Regular people may as well get something out of it.

robocat 6y ago

The highest earning 1 percent of New York City residents generated 43 percent of city income taxes From (biased but presumably factual): https://www.empirecenter.org/publications/nycs-high-income-tax-habit/ https://www.empirecenter.org/publications/nycs-high-income-t... Edit: just trying to add info, not bias the conversation! Maybe also relevant: https://www.visualcapitalist.com/3d-map-the-u-s-cities-with-the-highest-economic-output/ https://www.visualcapitalist.com/3d-map-the-u-s-cities-with-...

free_rms 6y ago
So that's 43% of 13%, call it 5%. A far cry from 71. And if I'm not mistaken, the city still gets that money as long as the job is located there anyways.
- julianapostate 6y ago
  That’s 1% not the 10% from the original comment
  - free_rms 6y ago
    Ok, but it's still out of 13, so maybe we're going for 8?
- soldierof4chan 6y ago
  A common misconception. You don't pay NYC income taxes if you don't live in NYC. It also stands to reason that other tax receipts will go down if people move away e.g. rents go down -> propery values assessed downwards -> taxes decrease.

gridlockd 6y ago

> I know in America taxes are super taboo but there's also nothing wrong with raising taxes on the rest of the city to cover any gap. Raising taxes does not necessarily increase tax revenue. Is the last guy on the sinking ship going to pick up the tab for everyone?