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Since this is the second post of the same report on HN today. I would like to suggest fellow HN readers to research a bit into Adrian Zenz first. Many redditor

by blkmm 6y ago

Since this is the second post of the same report on HN today. I would like to suggest fellow HN readers to research a bit into Adrian Zenz first. Many redditors have noticed the recent trend in the news and posted their observations and researches. Please search for "Adrian Zenz" in the comments of these Reddit posts: https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/ixjuq2/china_forces_500000_tibetans_into_labour_camps/?limit=500 https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/ixjuq2/china_for... https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/ixhd7x/china_sharply_expands_mass_labor_program_in_tibet/ https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/ixhd7x/china_sha... Edit: Some articles that also shed some light on this topic https://thegrayzone.com/2019/12/21/china-detaining-millions-uyghurs-problems-claims-us-ngo-researcher/ https://thegrayzone.com/2019/12/21/china-detaining-millions-... https://thegrayzone.com/2020/03/26/forced-labor-china-us-nato-arms-industry-cold-war/ https://thegrayzone.com/2020/03/26/forced-labor-china-us-nat... Edit 2: Here is an interesting video of the author (Max Blumenthal) challenging Adrian Zenz in person on Capitol Hill https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1208837915687706624 https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1208837915687706624 A youtuber Daniel Dumbrill's interview of Max Blumenthal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KLIfu6y2Bc&t=2240 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KLIfu6y2Bc&t=2240 Daniel Dumbrill also did some research: https://twitter.com/DanielDumbrill/status/1200522786772418560 https://twitter.com/DanielDumbrill/status/120052278677241856... (BTW Dumbrill's travel videos are pretty cool)

sharken 6y ago
A solution could be to flag a post as suspicious or even fake news. Though that will open the floodgates to all sorts of scrutiny that I think won’t help. So a post like yours seems to be a good enough solution for the problem.
- blkmm 6y ago
  That's right. I believe the solution is for people to develop and apply their critical thinking. It's the way to prevent Nayirah testimony, Iraq's WMD or similar from being used as excuses for war again. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony
  - warninglights 6y ago
    Everyone should but how many people have the time to do the geopolitical research unless it hits home? It wasn't enough in the relatively innocent "good old days of bush", now social media has been weaponized
HoppedUpMenace 6y ago
So all of what is happening in China with regards to Tibet and Uighers is part of a disinformation campaign, piecing together the totality of the sources you provided?
- xster 6y ago
  Consider Wilkerson, chief of staff for Collin Powell, says the US is in Afghanistan to be able to disrupt BRI coming through Xinjiang and to be able to provide direct support for insurgency to destabilize China through inciting Uyghurs, I think we can say there's a bit more than the image we're presented https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3f_EKnH7Tw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3f_EKnH7Tw
8bitsrule 6y ago
Thanks for that. I've wondered where this drumbeat of Xinjiang stories (and little evidence) was coming from. The idea that some far-right German fundamentalist is building a following behind some of it makes a lot of sense (particularly under Trump). That said, there's little question what's happened in Tibet in the 70 years China has occupied it ... and what they've already done there (and here ... re the NYC Thai cop reporting to the consulate) (not to mention the Cultural Revolution or Tiananmen) makes it a lot easier to entertain the Xinjiang story. China plays a long game.
SheinhardtWigCo 6y ago
I've noticed that ad hominem posts about Adrian Zenz tend to show up every time this topic is mentioned on a public forum. Did you miss this part of the report? > Reuters corroborated Zenz’s findings and found additional policy documents, company reports, procurement filings and state media reports that describe the program.

by blkmm 6y ago

sharken 6y ago

A solution could be to flag a post as suspicious or even fake news. Though that will open the floodgates to all sorts of scrutiny that I think won’t help. So a post like yours seems to be a good enough solution for the problem.

blkmm 6y ago
That's right. I believe the solution is for people to develop and apply their critical thinking. It's the way to prevent Nayirah testimony, Iraq's WMD or similar from being used as excuses for war again. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony
- warninglights 6y ago
  Everyone should but how many people have the time to do the geopolitical research unless it hits home? It wasn't enough in the relatively innocent "good old days of bush", now social media has been weaponized

HoppedUpMenace 6y ago

So all of what is happening in China with regards to Tibet and Uighers is part of a disinformation campaign, piecing together the totality of the sources you provided?

xster 6y ago
Consider Wilkerson, chief of staff for Collin Powell, says the US is in Afghanistan to be able to disrupt BRI coming through Xinjiang and to be able to provide direct support for insurgency to destabilize China through inciting Uyghurs, I think we can say there's a bit more than the image we're presented https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3f_EKnH7Tw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3f_EKnH7Tw

8bitsrule 6y ago

Thanks for that. I've wondered where this drumbeat of Xinjiang stories (and little evidence) was coming from. The idea that some far-right German fundamentalist is building a following behind some of it makes a lot of sense (particularly under Trump). That said, there's little question what's happened in Tibet in the 70 years China has occupied it ... and what they've already done there (and here ... re the NYC Thai cop reporting to the consulate) (not to mention the Cultural Revolution or Tiananmen) makes it a lot easier to entertain the Xinjiang story. China plays a long game.

SheinhardtWigCo 6y ago

I've noticed that ad hominem posts about Adrian Zenz tend to show up every time this topic is mentioned on a public forum. Did you miss this part of the report? > Reuters corroborated Zenz’s findings and found additional policy documents, company reports, procurement filings and state media reports that describe the program.