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Do you have an example of an objectionable email to share?

yters 6y ago
only off the top of my head i read them many years ago on one of my previoys computers what i remember: - exchanges about how to quiet skeptics - the engineer's negative opinion of the codebase he was hired to clean up maybe sometime this week i can dredge up the files to take another look, if there is interest the zip archive may still be floating around on the web somewhere UPDATE: found it For those interested in the actual email zip, here's one working link I found. http://assassinationscience.com/climategate/2/FOIA2011.zip http://assassinationscience.com/climategate/2/FOIA2011.zip The top level README.md contains what the compilers thought were some of the most damning texts, and give reference so you can see the context for yourself. Here are some from the README.md: <1939> Thorne/MetO: Observations do not show rising temperatures throughout the tropical troposphere unless you accept one single study and approach and discount a wealth of others. This is just downright dangerous. We need to communicate the uncertainty and be honest. Phil, hopefully we can find time to discuss these further if necessary [...] <3066> Thorne: I also think the science is being manipulated to put a political spin on it which for all our sakes might not be too clever in the long run. <1611> Carter: It seems that a few people have a very strong say, and no matter how much talking goes on beforehand, the big decisions are made at the eleventh hour by a select core group. <2884> Wigley: Mike, The Figure you sent is very deceptive [...] there have been a number of dishonest presentations of model results by individual authors and by IPCC [...] <4755> Overpeck: The trick may be to decide on the main message and use that to guid[e] what's included and what is left out.
- MengerSponge 6y ago
  Yes, we would like to quiet celebrity skeptics. They're a bunch of dipshits who are not acting in good faith and we're running out of time. The internet works even though its built on a horrifyingly rickety series of dependencies. People complain about other people's code. The only code that doesn't have someone complaining about it is signed Knuth, and Djikstra would probably complain about something if you asked him.
  - yters 6y ago
    great, that confirms the scandal then
    - MengerSponge 6y ago
      Oh honey, bless your heart. At no point did I say the science was wrong. It isn't. If anything, the projections are too rosy. There are types of speech that are legitimately harmful, and discussing how to protect people from its harms is part of being in a functioning society. Programmers complain about code, but that doesn't make the results wrong. I guess I could explain why the models aren't can't be exactly predictive, but nobody wants a deep dive on epistemology. But the deeper problem is this isn't a great use of anyone's time: "You cannot reason someone out of something he or she was not reasoned into." Your not understanding something doesn't make it wrong. Your skepticism is based on some combination of fear and pride, not reason, but it's ok. I'm not mad at you. I'm sure you're doing your best.
      - yters 6y ago
        Have you read the emails?
lazyjones 6y ago
http://tomnelson.blogspot.com/2011/12/climategate-email-warmist-tom-wigley.html http://tomnelson.blogspot.com/2011/12/climategate-email-warm... Of course this will be downvoted to oblivion, to punish me for pointing it out. Because it's now an ideological debate.

only off the top of my head i read them many years ago on one of my previoys computers what i remember: - exchanges about how to quiet skeptics - the engineer's negative opinion of the codebase he was hired to clean up maybe sometime this week i can dredge up the files to take another look, if there is interest the zip archive may still be floating around on the web somewhere UPDATE: found it For those interested in the actual email zip, here's one working link I found. http://assassinationscience.com/climategate/2/FOIA2011.zip http://assassinationscience.com/climategate/2/FOIA2011.zip The top level README.md contains what the compilers thought were some of the most damning texts, and give reference so you can see the context for yourself. Here are some from the README.md: <1939> Thorne/MetO: Observations do not show rising temperatures throughout the tropical troposphere unless you accept one single study and approach and discount a wealth of others. This is just downright dangerous. We need to communicate the uncertainty and be honest. Phil, hopefully we can find time to discuss these further if necessary [...] <3066> Thorne: I also think the science is being manipulated to put a political spin on it which for all our sakes might not be too clever in the long run. <1611> Carter: It seems that a few people have a very strong say, and no matter how much talking goes on beforehand, the big decisions are made at the eleventh hour by a select core group. <2884> Wigley: Mike, The Figure you sent is very deceptive [...] there have been a number of dishonest presentations of model results by individual authors and by IPCC [...] <4755> Overpeck: The trick may be to decide on the main message and use that to guid[e] what's included and what is left out.

MengerSponge 6y ago
Yes, we would like to quiet celebrity skeptics. They're a bunch of dipshits who are not acting in good faith and we're running out of time. The internet works even though its built on a horrifyingly rickety series of dependencies. People complain about other people's code. The only code that doesn't have someone complaining about it is signed Knuth, and Djikstra would probably complain about something if you asked him.
- yters 6y ago
  great, that confirms the scandal then
  - MengerSponge 6y ago
    Oh honey, bless your heart. At no point did I say the science was wrong. It isn't. If anything, the projections are too rosy. There are types of speech that are legitimately harmful, and discussing how to protect people from its harms is part of being in a functioning society. Programmers complain about code, but that doesn't make the results wrong. I guess I could explain why the models aren't can't be exactly predictive, but nobody wants a deep dive on epistemology. But the deeper problem is this isn't a great use of anyone's time: "You cannot reason someone out of something he or she was not reasoned into." Your not understanding something doesn't make it wrong. Your skepticism is based on some combination of fear and pride, not reason, but it's ok. I'm not mad at you. I'm sure you're doing your best.
    - yters 6y ago
      Have you read the emails?

lazyjones 6y ago

http://tomnelson.blogspot.com/2011/12/climategate-email-warmist-tom-wigley.html http://tomnelson.blogspot.com/2011/12/climategate-email-warm... Of course this will be downvoted to oblivion, to punish me for pointing it out. Because it's now an ideological debate.