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I hope at a certain point we realize that masking these undesirable behaviors does a lot more harm. The end result is a society that ends up disconnected from r
by preommr 6y ago
I hope at a certain point we realize that masking these undesirable behaviors does a lot more harm. The end result is a society that ends up disconnected from reality. This is how you have people that think that a particular issue isn't a big deal because they've never seen it.
It also feeds into the idea of censorship and lets degenerates gather like mold away from the light festering and growing in numbers until suddenly you have an outbreak at opportune moments.
- Voloskaya 6y agoThis makes no sense. This would be like being outraged that people working in customer service are not allowed to say anything racist, or that the autocomplete in Google will never autocomplete "kill all" with a particular group of people. Because that's what GPT-3 is used for, it's not supposed to be an unbiased reflection of society or whatever you think it is.
- TheUndead96 6y agoThere are already protocols to control search results and the behaviors of employees. This is very different. This is controlling the discourse of everyday people. Just because the technology is not currently deployed to restrict topics that effect you does not mean that it never will. The post above is right. Extremism does not fester in “safe spaces”. One day you may not be able to even talk about <redacted>
- magicalist 6y ago> This is controlling the discourse of everyday people. I think you might be confused about the subject here.
- TheUndead96 6y agoJust responding to conversation above. I think this is important. What makes the HN interesting is sharing ideas. This is otherwise a boring corporate announcement.
- magicalist 6y agoThe "conversation above" was > Because that's what GPT-3 is used for not "the discourse of everyday people" > What makes the HN interesting is sharing ideas Which at least occasionally have to be new ideas. If every conversation ends up on free speech absolutism, even when there literally isn't a person generating the speech, there aren't any new ideas being shared.
- hirundo 6y ago> Extremism does not fester in “safe spaces”. Disagree. "Safe spaces" are bubbles of like-thinkers, else they wouldn't be "safe". People in such bubbles tend to drift to extremes due to the lack of external constraint. Within the bubble any other opinions seem extreme.
- TheUndead96 6y agoYes, I agree. My point (and that of one of the comments earlier) is that censorship does not actually do anything to reduce extremism in the real world, and can actually increase it, as you say. So these echo-chambers are bad, which we can agree on.
- Voloskaya 6y ago> "This is very different. This is controlling the discourse of everyday people." GPT-3 is not an "everyday people", we don't have sentient AI and laws making robots defacto people just quite yet
- ptomato 6y ago> that the autocomplete in Google will never autocomplete "kill all" with a particular group of people except "men", which it does currently.
- jokethrowaway 6y agoWait, let me check my privilege...
- PeterisP 6y ago> that the autocomplete in Google will never autocomplete "kill all" with a particular group of people For whatever reason, for me the #2 autocomplete in Google for "kill all" is "artists".
- ben_w 6y agoWe already have those problems — I myself grew up thinking the Allied victory in WW2 ended anti-semitism, and until that misapprehension was corrected I had no reason to believe any criticism of Israel was anything other than good-faith; now I know better. Making an AI that knows what racism is without displaying racism itself, does not seem like the sort of thing which would make this problem worse. What would be really good is if the general pattern can be found for everything from religious wars and ethnonationalism down to football riots, not just building filters one at a time for each specific instance of -ism as product owners get sued over them.
- peterwoerner 6y agoRacism is a funny thing. Hard to make better. Good faith attempts to make it better often result in it getting worse.
- mrguyorama 6y agoI'd like to see an example of that claim
- peterwoerner 6y agoThere are a few in Robert Caildini's book influence.
- shadowgovt 6y agoIt seems your suggested solution to preventing degenerates from gathering outside the light is to turn the lights off though. I don't disagree that things like QAnon gather steam outside the mainstream, but I don't think mainstreaming them is the right solution. I remember Reddit before it started to clean up its house. It was worse.
- Mirioron 6y ago>I remember Reddit before it started to clean up its house. It was worse. And yet that was the time when reddit was considered more balanced and open. People gathered there to discuss ideas. The future of the platform looked great. Nowadays virtually all popular subreddits are considered echo chambers and the future for the platform looks questionable.
- shadowgovt 6y ago> the future of the platform looked great Not with the subreddits it was hosting it didn't. The future of Reddit looked unviable as a business. I won't name names, but it's obvious that some of the content was wholly incompatible with mainstream acceptance and for good reason.
- Mirioron 6y agoObviously some things will come and go when things become mainstream. That's natural. But reddit going mainstream is probably why it became the way it is now. Suddenly, reddit had a lot of influence, so people started paying more attention to what went on there and tried to change it.
- 1MoreThing 6y agoConsidered by who?
- darepublic 6y agoDon't worry the Boston Dynamic hounds will control the festering masses of thought criminals who bred like cockroaches in the dark. lol.