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Firefox may have to eventually switch to Chromium, just like Microsoft did for Edge. I've noticed more and more sites not working or breaking with Firefox. It

Firefox may have to eventually switch to Chromium, just like Microsoft did for Edge. I've noticed more and more sites not working or breaking with Firefox. It's bad enough now that I switch to Chrome when doing anything important. It's a sign that companies and developers are starting to accept that testing on Firefox is optional.

dmit 6y ago
I'm not sure what the difference is between sites "not working" and "breaking", but as a counter point, I've seen neither in the past three or four years of exclusively using Firefox as my web browser.
- olvy0 6y ago
  As yet another counter point, I haven't had any problems with any site either. Actually, I think I haven't had any real problems with any site in Firefox since the IE6 days. Been using Firefox forever, since it was called Firebird, migrated to it from Netscape at some point.
- nl 6y ago
  I use Firefox almost exclusively. One example of a page that doesn't work is Amazon's "Today's Deals"[1] page. [2] is screenshots of the same page in Firefox (top) and Chrome (bottom). I do have uBlock Origin installed but disabled for Amazon. [2] https://imgur.com/a/VBNrKpS https://imgur.com/a/VBNrKpS [1] https://www.amazon.com.au/gp/goldbox?ref_=nav_cs_gb https://www.amazon.com.au/gp/goldbox?ref_=nav_cs_gb
  - fuyu 6y ago
    That page works fine in my FireFox (v81 on Windows, also with uBlock Origin enabled). Have you checked the behavior with a clean profile?
bleepblorp 6y ago
I agree with this, except for different reasons. Without a good source of funding Mozilla won't have the resources to keep up with new requirements in the web stack. The current Firefox rendering engine isn't going to last forever and the Servo layoffs suggest Mozilla doesn't have the resources to do the R&D to keep up. Without R&D any non-monopoly product is a dead man walking. I think Firefox's best shot for relevance is to switch from being a complete browser codebase and into being a maintained patch set for Chromium that retains user-focused features (such as adblock APIs and limits on media autoplay) as they are removed by Google. The required resource commitment would be far lower and might be viable in the long run.
- dblohm7 6y ago
  And in this scenario you expect Mozilla to be able to influence web standards how, exactly?
  - bleepblorp 6y ago
    How do you see a browser with less than ten percent market share as being able to influence web standards now? That ship has already sailed.

dmit 6y ago

I'm not sure what the difference is between sites "not working" and "breaking", but as a counter point, I've seen neither in the past three or four years of exclusively using Firefox as my web browser.

olvy0 6y ago
As yet another counter point, I haven't had any problems with any site either. Actually, I think I haven't had any real problems with any site in Firefox since the IE6 days. Been using Firefox forever, since it was called Firebird, migrated to it from Netscape at some point.
nl 6y ago
I use Firefox almost exclusively. One example of a page that doesn't work is Amazon's "Today's Deals"[1] page. [2] is screenshots of the same page in Firefox (top) and Chrome (bottom). I do have uBlock Origin installed but disabled for Amazon. [2] https://imgur.com/a/VBNrKpS https://imgur.com/a/VBNrKpS [1] https://www.amazon.com.au/gp/goldbox?ref_=nav_cs_gb https://www.amazon.com.au/gp/goldbox?ref_=nav_cs_gb
- fuyu 6y ago
  That page works fine in my FireFox (v81 on Windows, also with uBlock Origin enabled). Have you checked the behavior with a clean profile?

bleepblorp 6y ago

I agree with this, except for different reasons. Without a good source of funding Mozilla won't have the resources to keep up with new requirements in the web stack. The current Firefox rendering engine isn't going to last forever and the Servo layoffs suggest Mozilla doesn't have the resources to do the R&D to keep up. Without R&D any non-monopoly product is a dead man walking. I think Firefox's best shot for relevance is to switch from being a complete browser codebase and into being a maintained patch set for Chromium that retains user-focused features (such as adblock APIs and limits on media autoplay) as they are removed by Google. The required resource commitment would be far lower and might be viable in the long run.

dblohm7 6y ago
And in this scenario you expect Mozilla to be able to influence web standards how, exactly?
- bleepblorp 6y ago
  How do you see a browser with less than ten percent market share as being able to influence web standards now? That ship has already sailed.