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Which country has 0 COVID deaths ? :o)

by icare_1er 6y ago

soared 6y ago
Today? Quite a few, but not the US.
p49k 6y ago
Vietnam has 35 in a country of 90 million people.
- tome 6y ago
  Wow, that's amazing. How is that possible?
  - crispyambulance 6y ago
    Sane leadership, people who listen to facts, preparation, contact tracing.
    - gnusty_gnurc 6y ago
      Could it be that they have one (if not the best) obesity rate in the world? I’m suspicious that this isn’t just countries with order of magnitude healthier populations (although maybe they have malnourishment the US doesn’t have).
      - crispyambulance 6y ago
        The USA and Vietnam have almost the same life-expectancy stats. I don't think one can say the difference in health is "an order of magnitude".
        gnusty_gnurc 6y ago
        Obesity in Vietnam is 1%...lowest in the world. Versus US with ~42%. We know the seriousness of obesity wrt covid.
        tome 6y ago
        Seems like this relationship would be very easy to discover in the worldwide statistics.
        rsynnott 6y ago
        If this was the decisive factor, you'd expect Belgium, Italy and France to have low rates, with Germany, the UK, and most of Eastern Europe having high rates. This turns out not to be the case.
        gnusty_gnurc 6y ago
        Maybe not - but I'd guess that some combination of lack of chronic disease like obesity/diabetes on top of mask usage helped a lot. If the lack of chronic disease leads to less severe covid, you'd expect the nosocomial spread factor of the pandemic is lower.
  - rhino369 6y ago
    They throw anyone who had any contact with someone who had covid in quarantine camps. Basically, the power of being an authoritarian government where people have no rights. Probably also a fair bit of luck. Those tactics don’t scale. So they only work when you catch it early. The wrong travels visit a conference and it’s impossible to keep up. There is some speculation Asian counties had some level of immunity from past epidemics, but it’s only a hypothesis at this point.
pstuart 6y ago
> pretty much preventable
FormFollowsFunc 6y ago
These countries haven’t reported any COVID-19 deaths yet: Kiribati, Marshall Islands, Micronesia, Nauru, North Korea, Palau, Samoa, Solomon Islands, Tonga, Turkmenistan, Tuvalu, Vanuatu. Mostly tiny islands in the Pacific.
crispyambulance 6y ago
The key thing is we (as in the government and it's people) could have handled this crisis differently. There's no good reason for the USA to have had a higher per capita death count than South Korea, Germany or other well resourced nation that is fully capable of dealing with large-scale crisis. This was a profound failure of leadership when it was needed the most. In the future, students in high school history classes will watch with their jaws hung open at clips of the president of the USA in 2020 free-associating doing and his insipid "air-accordion" gestures during the daily briefings at the peak of the crisis.
- throwaway894345 6y ago
  > There's no good reason for the USA to have had a higher per capita death count than South Korea There are some reasons which probably explain part of the gap: * South Korea and Germany are both smaller and more homogeneous, making them easier to govern * South Korea has a lot of recent experience responding to respiratory epidemics Moreover, while I would like to see the US at the bottom of a chart of deaths per capita, the US is in the same cohort as many western European countries including Sweden, the UK, Spain, and Italy. There's still plenty to criticize, but the media are pretty deliberately choosing metrics that are designed to exaggerate the US's handling of the crisis, specifically by ignoring per-capita death rates. I'm sure they're just doing this to get Trump out of office at all costs (ends justify the means), but they risk playing right into Trump's hand (and in any case, they certainly contribute to a broader atmosphere of fake news and partisanship).
  - crispyambulance 6y ago
    > ...the media are pretty deliberately choosing metrics that are designed to exaggerate the US's handling of the crisis... "The media" would have had far less grist if Trump hadn't been astonishingly incoherent and outright lying much of the time. I think it's not a coincidence that a good number of nations with delusional tin-pot autocratic wannabee's have been hit very hard by covid-19.
    - throwaway894345 6y ago

Which country has 0 COVID deaths ? :o)

soared 6y ago

Today? Quite a few, but not the US.

p49k 6y ago

Vietnam has 35 in a country of 90 million people.

tome 6y ago
Wow, that's amazing. How is that possible?
- crispyambulance 6y ago
  Sane leadership, people who listen to facts, preparation, contact tracing.
  - gnusty_gnurc 6y ago
    Could it be that they have one (if not the best) obesity rate in the world? I’m suspicious that this isn’t just countries with order of magnitude healthier populations (although maybe they have malnourishment the US doesn’t have).
    - crispyambulance 6y ago
      The USA and Vietnam have almost the same life-expectancy stats. I don't think one can say the difference in health is "an order of magnitude".
      - gnusty_gnurc 6y ago
        Obesity in Vietnam is 1%...lowest in the world. Versus US with ~42%. We know the seriousness of obesity wrt covid.
        tome 6y ago
        Seems like this relationship would be very easy to discover in the worldwide statistics.
        rsynnott 6y ago
        If this was the decisive factor, you'd expect Belgium, Italy and France to have low rates, with Germany, the UK, and most of Eastern Europe having high rates. This turns out not to be the case.
        gnusty_gnurc 6y ago
        Maybe not - but I'd guess that some combination of lack of chronic disease like obesity/diabetes on top of mask usage helped a lot. If the lack of chronic disease leads to less severe covid, you'd expect the nosocomial spread factor of the pandemic is lower.
- rhino369 6y ago
  They throw anyone who had any contact with someone who had covid in quarantine camps. Basically, the power of being an authoritarian government where people have no rights. Probably also a fair bit of luck. Those tactics don’t scale. So they only work when you catch it early. The wrong travels visit a conference and it’s impossible to keep up. There is some speculation Asian counties had some level of immunity from past epidemics, but it’s only a hypothesis at this point.

pstuart 6y ago

> pretty much preventable

FormFollowsFunc 6y ago

These countries haven’t reported any COVID-19 deaths yet: Kiribati, Marshall Islands, Micronesia, Nauru, North Korea, Palau, Samoa, Solomon Islands, Tonga, Turkmenistan, Tuvalu, Vanuatu. Mostly tiny islands in the Pacific.

crispyambulance 6y ago

The key thing is we (as in the government and it's people) could have handled this crisis differently. There's no good reason for the USA to have had a higher per capita death count than South Korea, Germany or other well resourced nation that is fully capable of dealing with large-scale crisis. This was a profound failure of leadership when it was needed the most. In the future, students in high school history classes will watch with their jaws hung open at clips of the president of the USA in 2020 free-associating doing and his insipid "air-accordion" gestures during the daily briefings at the peak of the crisis.

throwaway894345 6y ago
> There's no good reason for the USA to have had a higher per capita death count than South Korea There are some reasons which probably explain part of the gap: * South Korea and Germany are both smaller and more homogeneous, making them easier to govern * South Korea has a lot of recent experience responding to respiratory epidemics Moreover, while I would like to see the US at the bottom of a chart of deaths per capita, the US is in the same cohort as many western European countries including Sweden, the UK, Spain, and Italy. There's still plenty to criticize, but the media are pretty deliberately choosing metrics that are designed to exaggerate the US's handling of the crisis, specifically by ignoring per-capita death rates. I'm sure they're just doing this to get Trump out of office at all costs (ends justify the means), but they risk playing right into Trump's hand (and in any case, they certainly contribute to a broader atmosphere of fake news and partisanship).
- crispyambulance 6y ago
  > ...the media are pretty deliberately choosing metrics that are designed to exaggerate the US's handling of the crisis... "The media" would have had far less grist if Trump hadn't been astonishingly incoherent and outright lying much of the time. I think it's not a coincidence that a good number of nations with delusional tin-pot autocratic wannabee's have been hit very hard by covid-19.
  - throwaway894345 6y ago