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I like the area I live. Plus I don't want to "move" or need more space. Remote work only offloads the cost of a workplace on the employee. Buy a larger desk? C

I like the area I live. Plus I don't want to "move" or need more space. Remote work only offloads the cost of a workplace on the employee. Buy a larger desk? Check. Buy a better chair? Check. Spend more time working since there is no psychological difference between relax and work time? Check.

Grazester 6y ago
> Spend more time working since there is no psychological difference between relax and work time? Check. Yes. This is unfortunately happening to me now
mathieuh 6y ago
I hope that when governments around the world realise that WFH is going to become the norm for a large number of people they will adjust tax laws to allow write-offs where applicable. Since April this year in the UK we can get up to £6 per week written off business expenses incurred as a result of WFH. Of course, they may go the opposite direction to encourage people back into offices so coffee/sandwich shops etc. get more footfall.
- MiroF 6y ago
  I would like my government to discourage urban sprawl and encourage density, even in a world where WFH becomes a larger norm.
chrisjarvis 6y ago
Oh no you had to buy a chair! I disagree with this sentiment, depending on where you live not commuting for a few weeks has already paid for all these things. And for many who haven't had to pay rent in the Bay Area for the last 6 months the gains are even more pronounced. >Spend more time working since there is no psychological difference between relax and work time? I agree that's an issue but can certainly be mitigated by building good habits around "work" and "not work" time.
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LeifCarrotson 6y ago
I have empathy for your situation, but this argument ignores that I like the area where I live, too. Changing to remote work has a cost/pressure to you, but keeping the status quo has a cost/pressure to me. Without remote work, there is significant pressure on people like me to move into the city. I live where the mortgage on my 2500 sqft home with a dedicated workspace ($850/mo) probably costs me less than your 400 sqft apartment's rent. I understand that many people who live in downtown apartments don't want to move; pre-COVID, some vacations to New York and to Chicago made me seriously consider moving somewhere downtown to enjoy the energy and opportunity provided by living downtown. But while quarantine with grocery deliveries was probably hellish for you, it was among my favorite seasons of the past few years of my life. Without remote work, there was significant offloaded cost onto me the employee, to commute to the central workplace, not only financial but also in time. The cost of a very nice office chair is nothing compared to the cost of a driver's seat in a car, and has no comparison to the hours wasted each week on the road. I have a physical and psychological difference because I have a home office, which I understand is a luxury that a 400 sqft studio doesn't afford. A home office is psychologically better for me than a central office, because my desk at the office was a combination space for my focus work, video/audio conference calls, eating lunch, and relaxing with coworkers. While working remote, I spend a little more time working, and that more efficiently, but that's because I don't have to waste time on a commute and because I can maintain focus on a task without too many external interruptions when needed. Like it or not, I think cost of living is about to experience a significant swing over the next few decades. House prices out here are (were) strongly correlated to distance to the highway and from there to the city. Apartment rents in downtown areas are (were) correlated not only to people's desire to live in the big city but also to the cost savings of not needing to own a car and proximity to high-paying jobs. Eventually, things will even out.
- ProjectBarks 6y ago
  This is a very reasonable argument. My point focuses on remote absolutism versus a socially accepted blended model.
  - jader201 6y ago
subsubzero 6y ago
I get your predicament, some people like the opportunity to go into the office. Where I have problems with alot of tech companies pre-pandemic is you have a position(engineer etc) that is able to be fully remote, and you are not giving employees the choice to be remote. Forcing people to live in the most expensive area on the planet(silicon valley) for a position that can be done anywhere is inefficient(wasted time commuting) and bad for psyche/environment(stress from commuting, pollution from commuting, stress from high cost of living). The one positive thing from this pandemic is we now get a choice in where we work as tech companies CEO's have had their eyes opened due to being forced to have everyone wfh for over 6 months now.
mrgordon 6y ago
You're ignoring that most people spend much more money on commuting, clothes for work, and lunch near work then they would spend doing a one time upgrade of their desk and probably eating lunch at home most of the time in t-shirts. Ironically, commuting to work pushes a lot more of the costs you complain about onto the employee.

Grazester 6y ago

> Spend more time working since there is no psychological difference between relax and work time? Check. Yes. This is unfortunately happening to me now

mathieuh 6y ago

I hope that when governments around the world realise that WFH is going to become the norm for a large number of people they will adjust tax laws to allow write-offs where applicable. Since April this year in the UK we can get up to £6 per week written off business expenses incurred as a result of WFH. Of course, they may go the opposite direction to encourage people back into offices so coffee/sandwich shops etc. get more footfall.

MiroF 6y ago
I would like my government to discourage urban sprawl and encourage density, even in a world where WFH becomes a larger norm.

chrisjarvis 6y ago

Oh no you had to buy a chair! I disagree with this sentiment, depending on where you live not commuting for a few weeks has already paid for all these things. And for many who haven't had to pay rent in the Bay Area for the last 6 months the gains are even more pronounced. >Spend more time working since there is no psychological difference between relax and work time? I agree that's an issue but can certainly be mitigated by building good habits around "work" and "not work" time.

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LeifCarrotson 6y ago

I have empathy for your situation, but this argument ignores that I like the area where I live, too. Changing to remote work has a cost/pressure to you, but keeping the status quo has a cost/pressure to me. Without remote work, there is significant pressure on people like me to move into the city. I live where the mortgage on my 2500 sqft home with a dedicated workspace ($850/mo) probably costs me less than your 400 sqft apartment's rent. I understand that many people who live in downtown apartments don't want to move; pre-COVID, some vacations to New York and to Chicago made me seriously consider moving somewhere downtown to enjoy the energy and opportunity provided by living downtown. But while quarantine with grocery deliveries was probably hellish for you, it was among my favorite seasons of the past few years of my life. Without remote work, there was significant offloaded cost onto me the employee, to commute to the central workplace, not only financial but also in time. The cost of a very nice office chair is nothing compared to the cost of a driver's seat in a car, and has no comparison to the hours wasted each week on the road. I have a physical and psychological difference because I have a home office, which I understand is a luxury that a 400 sqft studio doesn't afford. A home office is psychologically better for me than a central office, because my desk at the office was a combination space for my focus work, video/audio conference calls, eating lunch, and relaxing with coworkers. While working remote, I spend a little more time working, and that more efficiently, but that's because I don't have to waste time on a commute and because I can maintain focus on a task without too many external interruptions when needed. Like it or not, I think cost of living is about to experience a significant swing over the next few decades. House prices out here are (were) strongly correlated to distance to the highway and from there to the city. Apartment rents in downtown areas are (were) correlated not only to people's desire to live in the big city but also to the cost savings of not needing to own a car and proximity to high-paying jobs. Eventually, things will even out.

ProjectBarks 6y ago
This is a very reasonable argument. My point focuses on remote absolutism versus a socially accepted blended model.
- jader201 6y ago

subsubzero 6y ago

I get your predicament, some people like the opportunity to go into the office. Where I have problems with alot of tech companies pre-pandemic is you have a position(engineer etc) that is able to be fully remote, and you are not giving employees the choice to be remote. Forcing people to live in the most expensive area on the planet(silicon valley) for a position that can be done anywhere is inefficient(wasted time commuting) and bad for psyche/environment(stress from commuting, pollution from commuting, stress from high cost of living). The one positive thing from this pandemic is we now get a choice in where we work as tech companies CEO's have had their eyes opened due to being forced to have everyone wfh for over 6 months now.

mrgordon 6y ago

You're ignoring that most people spend much more money on commuting, clothes for work, and lunch near work then they would spend doing a one time upgrade of their desk and probably eating lunch at home most of the time in t-shirts. Ironically, commuting to work pushes a lot more of the costs you complain about onto the employee.