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> So like Hawaii? Are people in Hawaii still getting held at gunpoint to assimilate to whatever American culture is? If yes, we should definitely complain abou

> So like Hawaii? Are people in Hawaii still getting held at gunpoint to assimilate to whatever American culture is? If yes, we should definitely complain about it now. > Yes. Plus they have old claims to the area (as valid as a claim can be). Yes, we all know about those claims like the comical nine dash line. Tibet has always been a historical buffer state between the Chinese and Indian civilizations, culturally influenced by both. Sure, some Chinese empires were able to defeat them to force them to be a part of the empire for some centuries but that's about it. It must be fun to take out a map with some line that some loon drew in the past to lay claim over anything you wish. I guess we can even expect a map for Mars in future.

bobbyz 6y ago
If you think the nine dash line is comical, you're going to LOVE the British drawn India-Pakistani border with the most important Sikh holy site in muslim majority Pakistan! After you have a chuckle at that, you can ask the native americans how much fun they had with map drawing lunatics during the colonization of the Americas.
- actuator 6y ago
  > the British drawn India-Pakistani border with the most important Sikh holy site in muslim majority Pakistan As far as I understand for that at least, the divisions/districts were divided based on religion, because that's what the demand of the leaders who wanted Pakistan was. So Pakistan got every Muslim majority district on the west of the current Indian state. Is it possible the Sikh holy site you are talking about was a Muslim majority division/district? But your point does underscore my point, look at all the chaos that line drawing left in the world. That's all the more reason to call out the comical claims that are being enforced now.
  - bobbyz 6y ago
    Throwing rocks from a glass house. Not sure how these claims can be made while the Native Americans languish in poverty and alcoholism.
    - aww_dang 6y ago
      This is an unfair generalization that borders upon racism.
    - actuator 6y ago
      Your generalized claims and whataboutism are again underscoring my point. If what you have written is true, do you want the same to be inflicted into new sets of people by a hegemonic power.
dang 6y ago
Please do not post in the flamewar style to HN. It's not what we want here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- actuator 6y ago
  I apologize about the structure of my last statement, it came out like that because of the tone of the parent comment and the constant whataboutism and general misinformation(like "valid old claims") we see in these threads. It gets tiring after a while. I don't understand why my other comment down the thread was flagged by you though.
  - dang 6y ago
    Do you mean https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24563331 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24563331? For two reasons: because it perpetuated the flamewar, and because 'whataboutism' breaks the site guideline against name-calling (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=whataboutism%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so...).

bobbyz 6y ago

If you think the nine dash line is comical, you're going to LOVE the British drawn India-Pakistani border with the most important Sikh holy site in muslim majority Pakistan! After you have a chuckle at that, you can ask the native americans how much fun they had with map drawing lunatics during the colonization of the Americas.

actuator 6y ago
> the British drawn India-Pakistani border with the most important Sikh holy site in muslim majority Pakistan As far as I understand for that at least, the divisions/districts were divided based on religion, because that's what the demand of the leaders who wanted Pakistan was. So Pakistan got every Muslim majority district on the west of the current Indian state. Is it possible the Sikh holy site you are talking about was a Muslim majority division/district? But your point does underscore my point, look at all the chaos that line drawing left in the world. That's all the more reason to call out the comical claims that are being enforced now.
- bobbyz 6y ago
  Throwing rocks from a glass house. Not sure how these claims can be made while the Native Americans languish in poverty and alcoholism.
  - aww_dang 6y ago
    This is an unfair generalization that borders upon racism.
  - actuator 6y ago
    Your generalized claims and whataboutism are again underscoring my point. If what you have written is true, do you want the same to be inflicted into new sets of people by a hegemonic power.

dang 6y ago

Please do not post in the flamewar style to HN. It's not what we want here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

actuator 6y ago
I apologize about the structure of my last statement, it came out like that because of the tone of the parent comment and the constant whataboutism and general misinformation(like "valid old claims") we see in these threads. It gets tiring after a while. I don't understand why my other comment down the thread was flagged by you though.
- dang 6y ago
  Do you mean https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24563331 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24563331? For two reasons: because it perpetuated the flamewar, and because 'whataboutism' breaks the site guideline against name-calling (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=whataboutism%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so...).