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You think they will stop with Tibet? The CCP wants China to be the new world hegemony. They think that their illiberal system is the only way and they want to

You think they will stop with Tibet? The CCP wants China to be the new world hegemony. They think that their illiberal system is the only way and they want to spread it to every corner of the world. War is not the answer because it would be inconceivably horrific. But the world needs to stand up to China and stop putting up with their crap. Stop buying their crap. Start calling them out for their imperialism.

free_rms 6y ago
Citation? The US has a record of wanting to be hegemon and specifically wanting to export our ideology. China, not so much outside of their borders and immediate sea lanes. Are you just assuming they want to do so because that's what we do?
- eloisius 6y ago
  That's easy if you just unilaterally decide that anything you want is an "inalienable part" of your territory regardless of cultural, linguistic, historical, etc. differences. To say nothing of the local desire to be part of that inalienable territory and ruled by the CCP.
- medium_burrito 6y ago
  The US has a record of not wanting to get involved with anybody far away, until the rest of the world causes such a mess they have to get involved. Unless of course you think Nazis and Soviet Russia were no big deal. China is a nationalist ethno-state and they want to own Asia. Honestly I think the best bet is we let Taiwan go nuclear. Oh, CCP says it will invade, but that's not really going to happen if they'll lose all their major cities.
- spollo 6y ago
  It's all lies. I used to believe this line of thought about China. "We aren't expansionist like the US, we just want to do things our way inside of the country". It's not true. China as a unified country has never been as large as it is today. They are actively taking over parts of Nepal, they have taken pieces of land from India, they invaded and took over Tibet, the are nearing genocidal strategies to eradicate any semblance of culture or different-think amongst the Uyghur and people of Inner-Mongolia (bet you haven't even heard of that suppression! They have banned the Mongolian language in schools and nomads are no longer allowed to _ride horses_ as of a few weeks ago!). Not to mention what happened in Hong Kong. If not for India, they would have already taken over Bhutan. If not for their fighting spirit, they would have tried to take over Vietnam. They are building islands and taking over the South China sea. They are practicing debt trap diplomacy in Africa. They are the most expansionist, imperialist regime in Modern times second only to USA. Chinese people feed us this line, that they aren't expansionist, that they aren't imperialist, that they are only inward looking. For some reason we in the West take them at their word. Look at their actions, the picture is not so rosy. As much as I hate Trump, his pressure on China has been a welcome policy shift.
  - free_rms 6y ago
    All that without a shot fired! Imagine if they actually had a military as active as the US, NATO, or the Russians. Where do you go from here, rhetorically?
  - jialutu 6y ago
    Now I know you are lying! The Qing dynasty was far larger than China is today; in fact, it included Bhutan: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Map_of_Qing_dynasty_18c_Chinese.svg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Map_of_Qing_dynasty_...
    - free_rms 6y ago
      They're not lying, most likely, just uninformed. Most Americans know literally dick-all about Chinese history and substitute a combination of Cold War and WWII history where we're the good guys and the antagonists are the bad guys.
    - bobbyz 6y ago
      DAMN! What a beautiful curb your ____ moment! The British did more empire building in 2-3 hundred years than the Chinese did in a millennium!
    - dang 6y ago
      Please stop breaking the site guidelines. You've done it a lot, we've asked you repeatedly not to, and I do not want to have to ban you. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
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free_rms 6y ago

Citation? The US has a record of wanting to be hegemon and specifically wanting to export our ideology. China, not so much outside of their borders and immediate sea lanes. Are you just assuming they want to do so because that's what we do?

eloisius 6y ago
That's easy if you just unilaterally decide that anything you want is an "inalienable part" of your territory regardless of cultural, linguistic, historical, etc. differences. To say nothing of the local desire to be part of that inalienable territory and ruled by the CCP.
medium_burrito 6y ago
The US has a record of not wanting to get involved with anybody far away, until the rest of the world causes such a mess they have to get involved. Unless of course you think Nazis and Soviet Russia were no big deal. China is a nationalist ethno-state and they want to own Asia. Honestly I think the best bet is we let Taiwan go nuclear. Oh, CCP says it will invade, but that's not really going to happen if they'll lose all their major cities.
spollo 6y ago
It's all lies. I used to believe this line of thought about China. "We aren't expansionist like the US, we just want to do things our way inside of the country". It's not true. China as a unified country has never been as large as it is today. They are actively taking over parts of Nepal, they have taken pieces of land from India, they invaded and took over Tibet, the are nearing genocidal strategies to eradicate any semblance of culture or different-think amongst the Uyghur and people of Inner-Mongolia (bet you haven't even heard of that suppression! They have banned the Mongolian language in schools and nomads are no longer allowed to _ride horses_ as of a few weeks ago!). Not to mention what happened in Hong Kong. If not for India, they would have already taken over Bhutan. If not for their fighting spirit, they would have tried to take over Vietnam. They are building islands and taking over the South China sea. They are practicing debt trap diplomacy in Africa. They are the most expansionist, imperialist regime in Modern times second only to USA. Chinese people feed us this line, that they aren't expansionist, that they aren't imperialist, that they are only inward looking. For some reason we in the West take them at their word. Look at their actions, the picture is not so rosy. As much as I hate Trump, his pressure on China has been a welcome policy shift.
- free_rms 6y ago
  All that without a shot fired! Imagine if they actually had a military as active as the US, NATO, or the Russians. Where do you go from here, rhetorically?
- jialutu 6y ago
  Now I know you are lying! The Qing dynasty was far larger than China is today; in fact, it included Bhutan: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Map_of_Qing_dynasty_18c_Chinese.svg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Map_of_Qing_dynasty_...
  - free_rms 6y ago
    They're not lying, most likely, just uninformed. Most Americans know literally dick-all about Chinese history and substitute a combination of Cold War and WWII history where we're the good guys and the antagonists are the bad guys.
  - bobbyz 6y ago
    DAMN! What a beautiful curb your ____ moment! The British did more empire building in 2-3 hundred years than the Chinese did in a millennium!
  - dang 6y ago
    Please stop breaking the site guidelines. You've done it a lot, we've asked you repeatedly not to, and I do not want to have to ban you. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - deleted 6y ago
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