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Han supremacy has all the markings of other supremacist movements and will unfortunately need to be confronted. Not sure when the world will work up the courage
by liminal 6y ago
Han supremacy has all the markings of other supremacist movements and will unfortunately need to be confronted. Not sure when the world will work up the courage to do so, though.
- pc86 6y agoNot until China stops manufacturing everything, and I'm thinking by then it will be too late.
- foepys 6y agoI fear it already is too late. China was brave enough to take Hong Kong in one swift motion. The international response has been so weak that China is already eyeing Taiwan. Just yesterday they flew with 18 fighter jets and a bomber across the unofficial but mutually agreed border between Taiwan and China. This is unprecedented. If the situation doesn't deescalate quickly, we might see a war soon and if push comes to shove, the US could be in the middle of it.
- justicezyx 6y ago> Just yesterday they flew with 18 fighter jets and a bomber across the unofficial but mutually agreed border between Taiwan and China. There is no official border between these 2 "countries". They both officially claim they own the the other. And China has made it plain that, as long as Taiwan is not pursuing independence, everything can be made as usual. That's backed by many popular demand from the ordinary people. It's like US wont allow USSR to deploy nukes in Cuba. As long as you Cuba dont do that, US are OK with the communism on the island. Otherwise, sorry, you are risking the whole life for this whatever ideology you are pursuing.
- crocodiletears 6y agoThe US could just extract a few key TSMC engineers, turn its facilities into a crater, and back out. I don't think anyone wants to start WWIII with China over an exiled Chinese government living on an island that's less than 200 miles from the Chinese mainland other than an occupied Taiwanese people. I'm not even certain that the US could land a force in the area, given China's investment in defensive missile installations.
- foepys 6y agoAppeasement didn't work back in the 1930s and won't work now. Let China take Taiwan and they'll probably look at Vietnam or even South Korea or Japan.
- crocodiletears 6y agoIt's not appeasement. It's just not worth it. Wasting American blood in a region built up to be defensible specifically against the Americans to save a government that mostly only exists out of spite seems like a poor investment. The kind of withdrawal I described would likely be accompanied by the expulsion of all non-immigrant Chinese nationals, a military build-up in friendly regional territories, and deployments in anticipation of blockading Chinese energy imports.
- NotSammyHagar 6y agoWhat govt do you mean exists only out of spite? You can't mean Taiwan. It's a real country. They are a democracy.
- crocodiletears 6y agoIt is a real country, with a real Democracy. But if it weren't for an implicit threat of US intervention, it likely wouldn't be. My point is that its existence strikes me more as an artifact of America's of geopolitical posturing and, a policy of containment left over from the cold war than anything else.
- platinumrad 6y agoThis is delusional Cold War "domino effect" thinking but somehow even stupider because there was at least some credibility to the idea that communism would be a popular enough ideology to be adopted in such a fashion. Please tell me why China would ever have any interest in invading and occupying any of those countries.
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- rtx 6y agoIts not only that, they have many politicians on their books. Even western publications are warry about highlighting what's happening prominently. Today a NYPD officer was caught spying for them. https://abc7ny.com/nypd-spying-baimadajie-angwang-tibetan-officer-arrested/6484676/ https://abc7ny.com/nypd-spying-baimadajie-angwang-tibetan-of... (caution playing video)
- magicsmoke 6y agoAnd in an extreme twist of irony, the NYPD officer is ethnically Tibetan.
- mattnewton 6y agoHe probably had family they got to.
- wil421 6y agoHis dad was retired PLA and a party member. His mom was a government official and also a party member. In a way they did get to them but not in the way you imply.
- mattnewton 6y agoThank you for giving more information, I should have researched more before commenting.
- crazypyro 6y agoThere will always be a segment of any oppressed population that is willing to side with their oppressors.
- DocTomoe 6y agoChina has money. Let's never underestimate the greed of people when it comes to treason.
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- abawany 6y agoI see companies shifting manufacturing out of the PRC, though sadly not fast enough and not for human rights reasons. Cellphones made in Vietnam etc. (e.g Pixel 4a I think) would be preferable to supporting the current regime in the PRC. Here's hoping we stop enabling the cruel regime in the PRC.
- toomanybeersies 6y agoGenuine question: is Vietnam any better than China in regards to freedom and human rights?
- aatharuv 6y agoWhether or not it's actually better, it gives leverage over China. Do better or else...
- tachyonbeam 6y agoI think economic forces will play a part here. As China develops economically, it becomes more expensive to build there. That will tend to slowly but surely drive manufacturing to other locations. India has many strong technical universities and is a potential competitor.
- onepointsixC 6y agoWe're already seeing massive movement of manufacturing out of China. Samsung no longer builds smartphones in China, and even Apple has been moving some of its products to India and Taiwan. While it should have been done years ago when it was overtly obvious that China isn't going to liberalize, now is the second best time to do so.
- ng12 6y agoNot until we stop buying everything China manufactures. We need tariffs and sanctions on any country with China's human rights record.
- loceng 6y agoIt just takes organization, multi-lateral trade agreements. Unfortunately it may be too late for those the CCP has within their borders and perhaps those within arm's length, however it won't be too late to protect the CCP from successfully expanding and taking over the rest of the free world.
- cementMountain 6y agoSurely Biden will do it
- oxymoran 6y agoWe have to recognize the problem before we can work up the courage. And unfortunately, most people don’t recognize the problem. Worse, there is a tendency for some people to smear you as a right wing Trump supporter when you criticize China.
- colesantiago 6y agoI'm sure people were critical of China before Trump took office, nevertheless you've got a point and I don't get why you've been downvoted. I hope it doesn't get to major atrocities to happen before the world wakes up to what China is doing.
- oxymoran 6y agoPeople have been critical of China for decades and deservedly so. The only thing that has changed is that the political landscape in the US has descended into madness. The CCP has already committed disgusting atrocities during the cultural revolution in the 60’s but the world magically ignores that so I am pessimistic to say the least.
- platinumrad 6y agoThe world magically ignores that? The excesses of the cultural revolution are covered in gory detail in any reasonable class that covers the modern history of China. The Maoist struggle session looms as large in the western popular imagination as the Spanish Inquisition and honestly larger than any of the historical red scares.
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- magicsmoke 6y agoIf by the world you mean the west (do you see the countries in Africa or the Middle East caring about this?) then only when China actually attacks western interests, namely allied democracies like Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan. Note that the Allies in WW2 didn't go to war against the Axis supremacists until they expanded outside their borders, and the western allies didn't take significant action against Japan until Japan expanded into the west's Asian colonies. The Nanjing massacre was December 1937. The US oil embargo on Japan began summer 1941. Why did it take 4 years after a humanitarian crisis? Because Japan began occupying French Indochina in summer 1941 after France fell to Nazi German in summer 1940, and only after Japan started occupying western interests did it draw the full attention of the western Allies.
- ip26 6y agodidn't go to war against the Axis supremacists until they expanded outside their borders... Your parent comment is probably supposing that all supremacist movements eventually wind up doing this. Which is not a ridiculous suggestion- a fundamental precept of supremacist movements is usually the idea that the supposedly supreme group has a right to rule, and such ideas have a history of leading to invasion & conquest.
- ReptileMan 6y ago>Han supremacy has all the markings of other supremacist movements and will unfortunately need to be confronted. Are you willing to sacrifice your life for the freedom of Tibet? I am not
- mensetmanusman 6y agoWhy were our grandparents willing to sacrifice their life for the Europeans?
- DamnYuppie 6y agoWe didn't enter combat of WWII until we were attacked via Pearl Harbor. Also they hadn't been through nearly 30 years of constant war before hand. A nation can get weary from war.
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- ReptileMan 6y agoWell they weren't. It took great deal of effort to get involved in both wars. The US has traditionally been isolationists on matters in the eastern hemisphere. And it took world wars - here we are talking about internal china problem which is harder sell. China invading someone US cares about - like Japan may convince the US public to pay the nuclear butcher bill, but what they do on their own territory is not
- mensetmanusman 6y agoThey eventually were, because they died.
- free_rms 6y agoWorth noting that there weren't any 'good guys' in WWI like the story we're told about WWII. It was just a slugfest between colonial powers who were all doing awful stuff.
- bobbyz 6y agoHan supremacy? Laughably absurd. Just because some other cultures have a history of thinking they're better than everyone else doesn't mean that every culture does. Accounts of what China and the West thought of each other survive from the era of Marco Polo. The Chinese thought of Western Civilization with equality and respect. The West's opinion on the Chinese? Barbarians. Every country has its bigots, but suggestions that a country that just came out of hundreds of years of institutional racism from the Qing and then the British opium wars has a deliberate agenda based on race supremacy just sound like projection to me. Confront the mirror.
- dimitrios1 6y agoThis is some grade A+ projection over here. Han chauvinism was so bad that Mao Zedong drafted a party directive specifically to address it.
- bobbyz 6y agoPlease explain to me how its projection. Modern China's problem is the abundance of uneducated people. The racism mostly stemmed from ignorance. Same exact reason that when I visited Ecuador people pointed and stared. The wiki article doesn't even state that 'Han chauvinism' was 'bad'. It doesn't list a single incident of 'Han chauvisnism'. Do you know what the little red book is? You took the first result from google search and you didn't even read it.
- dimitrios1 6y ago> Do you know what the little red book is? Yes, I do, in fact... http://www.mzdbl.cn/maoxuan/maoxuan5-e/mswv5_25.htm http://www.mzdbl.cn/maoxuan/maoxuan5-e/mswv5_25.htm
- bobbyz 6y agoWow! Did you google that all by yourself! Impressive! A+! You're about 0.5% of the way there to being qualified enough to lecture somebody about their own country!
- dbuder 6y agoOh we'll let it fester for as long as possible because our political class are cowards. We are in the peace at any price stage.
- xster 6y agoThere's definitely some skeletons in the closet. The Han population was 1% in 1950. In the current year, it's 97%. Though I suspect it's not going to be geopolitically convenient for Adrien Zenz to write about the indigenous Taiwan people anytime soon.
- godelski 6y agoDo you have a source on this?