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In good faith, I read it as "users don't even know what they're missing out on". To be honest, I feel like some of the comments here are at least partially prov

In good faith, I read it as "users don't even know what they're missing out on". To be honest, I feel like some of the comments here are at least partially proving them right in this regard.

djlewald 6y ago
I feel like it's on the product to make those benefits apparent and easy to use. They're selling me (the user) not the other way around. The message comes off very privileged IMO.
brlewis 6y ago
The article now has an update that confirms your reading: I can see that by using an abridged and edited version of my analysis of the data for this blog post that I’ve unintentionally spread confusion. I’d like to clarify the intention behind my comments on developers and IDEs. For me, if developers don’t understand what IntelliJ IDEA gives them as a fully-featured IDE, that’s a failure on my part, since it has been my job for six years to educate developers on what an IDE (specifically IntelliJ IDEA) can do for you. I feel very strongly that one should never blame users, or prospective users, for failing to understand a product. My personal viewpoint on IDEs for Java developers comes from having been a Java developer for 20+ years, working on production Java projects large and small. I can’t imagine trying to create a complex enterprise application without the considerable help you get from an IDE like IntelliJ IDEA. I have also seen lots of developers using VSCode and I completely see the use cases that code editors cover well. There’s always room for more than one tool in your toolkit, and understanding what a tool does well helps us pick the right one for the right job.
lyjackal 6y ago
Well, seems heavy handed either way to give vscode such attention when vscode was only 4% of respondants. Seems reasonable that you wouldn't want a full fledged IDE in certain cases. For example, a small simple project, or if you're mainly a frontend dev who just needs to add a small API
- Godel_unicode 6y ago
  It would make much less sense to wait until the cool, free tool was more popular before reacting to it, no? They're not worried about eclipse, it's not very well liked. VS Code by comparison has a lot of shine on it.
erokar 6y ago
I used IntelliJ for almost two years, JS and Java. I hope I never have to use it again. It's laggy, clunky and with a less than intuitive UI. Yes, it is powerful but it doesn't weigh up for its shortcomings.
- icedchai 6y ago
  Try Eclipse for a while. You'll definitely want to get IntelliJ back.
  - teacpde 6y ago
    Being less worse is not enough to win users back.
  - franga2000 6y ago
    I never did understand all the Eclipse hate, especially when compared to IntelliJ. I use both regularly and the only thing Eclipse is missing for me is a proper searchable command pallete. Code navigation, refactoring, debugging and version control all work great, it's much faster and resource-friendly than IntelliJ and many things are a lot more straight forward (like the lack of IntelliJ's confusing changesets and non-native file pickers).
    - icedchai 6y ago
      Perhaps Eclipse has improved. The last time I personally used it for a project was back in 2011. It was slow, laggy, and I found the UI to be less friendly than IntelliJ. Obviously some of that is personal preference.
    - ben7799 6y ago
      This depends on your use case. I work on an enterprise project with 100+ gradle projects and a pile of targets for docker containers, kubernetes deployments, DB schemas, Redis stuff, etc.. Eclipse is incredibly slow in this use case compared to IntelliJ and would frequently gobble 10GB of Ram. I switched from Eclipse to IntelliJ earlier this year after years on this project and IntelliJ is amazingly better. But if you're using some different build system and a different type of project configuration maybe it's the other way around.. I think the thing with these

In good faith, I read it as "users don't even know what they're missing out on". To be honest, I feel like some of the comments here are at least partially proving them right in this regard.

djlewald 6y ago

I feel like it's on the product to make those benefits apparent and easy to use. They're selling me (the user) not the other way around. The message comes off very privileged IMO.

brlewis 6y ago

The article now has an update that confirms your reading: I can see that by using an abridged and edited version of my analysis of the data for this blog post that I’ve unintentionally spread confusion. I’d like to clarify the intention behind my comments on developers and IDEs. For me, if developers don’t understand what IntelliJ IDEA gives them as a fully-featured IDE, that’s a failure on my part, since it has been my job for six years to educate developers on what an IDE (specifically IntelliJ IDEA) can do for you. I feel very strongly that one should never blame users, or prospective users, for failing to understand a product. My personal viewpoint on IDEs for Java developers comes from having been a Java developer for 20+ years, working on production Java projects large and small. I can’t imagine trying to create a complex enterprise application without the considerable help you get from an IDE like IntelliJ IDEA. I have also seen lots of developers using VSCode and I completely see the use cases that code editors cover well. There’s always room for more than one tool in your toolkit, and understanding what a tool does well helps us pick the right one for the right job.

lyjackal 6y ago

Well, seems heavy handed either way to give vscode such attention when vscode was only 4% of respondants. Seems reasonable that you wouldn't want a full fledged IDE in certain cases. For example, a small simple project, or if you're mainly a frontend dev who just needs to add a small API

Godel_unicode 6y ago
It would make much less sense to wait until the cool, free tool was more popular before reacting to it, no? They're not worried about eclipse, it's not very well liked. VS Code by comparison has a lot of shine on it.

erokar 6y ago

I used IntelliJ for almost two years, JS and Java. I hope I never have to use it again. It's laggy, clunky and with a less than intuitive UI. Yes, it is powerful but it doesn't weigh up for its shortcomings.

icedchai 6y ago
Try Eclipse for a while. You'll definitely want to get IntelliJ back.
- teacpde 6y ago
  Being less worse is not enough to win users back.
- franga2000 6y ago
  I never did understand all the Eclipse hate, especially when compared to IntelliJ. I use both regularly and the only thing Eclipse is missing for me is a proper searchable command pallete. Code navigation, refactoring, debugging and version control all work great, it's much faster and resource-friendly than IntelliJ and many things are a lot more straight forward (like the lack of IntelliJ's confusing changesets and non-native file pickers).
  - icedchai 6y ago
    Perhaps Eclipse has improved. The last time I personally used it for a project was back in 2011. It was slow, laggy, and I found the UI to be less friendly than IntelliJ. Obviously some of that is personal preference.
  - ben7799 6y ago
    This depends on your use case. I work on an enterprise project with 100+ gradle projects and a pile of targets for docker containers, kubernetes deployments, DB schemas, Redis stuff, etc.. Eclipse is incredibly slow in this use case compared to IntelliJ and would frequently gobble 10GB of Ram. I switched from Eclipse to IntelliJ earlier this year after years on this project and IntelliJ is amazingly better. But if you're using some different build system and a different type of project configuration maybe it's the other way around.. I think the thing with these