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Untrained gig workers. Angry tenants. I can't imagine what could go wrong here.

by wegs 6y ago

scarface74 6y ago
As I said below, when you do it legally, someone from the sheriffs department is involved. A clean out crew is often made up of day laborers anyway. You also don’t have to be gentle with the tenants stuff. You just throw it out on the curb. Edit: I usually don’t comment on downvotes. But why is a factually correct comment being downvoted? I was a landlord, this is exactly the process in my state.
- mercurysmessage 6y ago
  That's awful, and you should be careful with tenants stuff. A lot of people on this site are cruel and callous.
  - scarface74 6y ago
    Why are you telling me? I’m just stating the facts. People seem to think that getting random people to move tenants stuff on the street have to be gentle or they put themselves at risk of being sued. My statements are A) at least in my state, the police are there monitoring the actual eviction either way. B) you don’t hire professional movers who are careful with the tenants stuff. No one does. There is no increased liability from using this service over getting day laborers.
- bserge 6y ago
  [Sorry, I decided to not get involved in this discussion]
  - scarface74 6y ago
    You have to schedule an eviction with the sheriff’s department. The police are there during the process. To get to the landlord, you have to go through the police first.
    - deleted 6y ago
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- NationalPark 6y ago
  You're being downvoted because "You also don’t have to be gentle with the tenants stuff." has a tone that implies you are particularly spiteful or disdainful of people who are essentially the least powerful in society. It suggests a level of cruelty beyond a transactional business relationship.
  - scarface74 6y ago
    I haven’t been a landlord in over decade and I only had to do one eviction. Again I am stating facts. You don’t have to be gentle. These are the facts. I didn’t say you shouldn’t be. After that one eviction , the next time my rental properties became empty, I started getting rid of the properties. They weren’t worth the trouble. Facts aren’t always nice. That doesn’t mean they aren’t facts. Money is never “personal” to me. Once the real estate crash happened and my tenants started leaving, I did strategic defaults. I actually let one tenant stay at one of my properties for months without paying rent. I knew I was going to walk away from the underwater property anyway. I told them they could stay until the bank kicks them out. I told them I was going to let it go in foreclosure. They were fine with it. They had a place to stay for months, saved money and left before the bank evicted them. No eviction on their record. Edit: it seems to be endemic to this post, anyone care to reply why I am incorrect or why they disagree?
  - ggghhhfff 6y ago
    I disagree, I read it as “it is not necessary to ensure that property remains unscathed from the eviction process, thus an untrained crew removing someone’s possessions from their former home is a reasonable/sensible idea”
- deleted 6y ago
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- vanusa 6y ago
  I was a landlord, this is exactly the process in my state. You're being downvoted because (as is common knowledge) this is definitely not true for many (and I would wager most, if not nearly all) states.
  - scarface74 6y ago
    Do you have a list of states where it isn’t the case? Have you been a landlord? Have you gone through the eviction process. Choosing the three largest states. It is the process in California https://civil.lasd.org/CivilProcess/cwig19.aspx?1 https://civil.lasd.org/CivilProcess/cwig19.aspx?1 New York https://nycourts.gov/CourtHelp/Homes/beingEvicted.shtml https://nycourts.gov/CourtHelp/Homes/beingEvicted.shtml Texas https://www.buildium.com/laws/texas-eviction-laws/ https://www.buildium.com/laws/texas-eviction-laws/ And a few other states. Florida: https://www.managecentralfloridaproperty.com/blog-eviction-process-florida-22.html https://www.managecentralfloridaproperty.com/blog-eviction-p... GA: https://www.citywiderpm.com/eviction-process-in-ga https://www.citywiderpm.com/eviction-process-in-ga Alabama: http://www.cloudwillis.com/2020/09/02/whats-next-for-eviction-cases-in-alabama/ http://www.cloudwillis.com/2020/09/02/whats-next-for-evictio... Tennessee: https://www.omnirealty.net/tennessee-eviction-process/more-444 https://www.omnirealty.net/tennessee-eviction-process/more-4... Kentucky https://kycir.org/2020/03/16/courts-may-be-closed-but-some-evictions-are-still-proceeding/ https://kycir.org/2020/03/16/courts-may-be-closed-but-some-e... Illinois https://www.paynelawchicago.com/eviction-faqs/ https://www.paynelawchicago.com/eviction-faqs/ Ohio: https://www.dannlaw.com/understanding-ohio-sheriff-sale-eviction-process/ https://www.dannlaw.com/understanding-ohio-sheriff-sale-evic... Wisconsin: https://www.danesheriff.com/Divisions/Support-Services/Evictions https://www.danesheriff.com/Divisions/Support-Services/Evict... Mississippi: https://www.buildium.com/laws/mississippi-eviction-laws/ https://www.buildium.com/laws/mississippi-eviction-laws/
    - vanusa 6y ago
      Have you gone through the eviction process. [?] Like they say where I hail from: "None a 'yer bizness." That said, a "scientific" analysis of a "representative sample" of the above links indicates that very few (if any) deal make any mention at all of the case to which we are referring: that is, where the tenant has vacated the premises (leaving their belongings on site) after the landlord has reclaimed possession. To use just one example that does make mention - California - it says: Any property of the tenant left on the premises will be turned over to the landlord for storage. That is - the landlord may not, as you suggest, dispose of it as they will. Rather, they need to put it in storage for the tenant to reclaim it a future date. And in Florida: If the renter leaves any personal property at the rental unit, the Florida eviction laws mandate you to notify them in writing. In Florida, the law requires that you give the tenant at least 10 days to claim the property. The 10-day period is if the notice was personally delivered to the renter. If mailed, the tenant has 15 days to claim the property. You can charge the tenant for storage of the property. The costs should be reasonable. If the tenant fails to claim the property within that time, you are at liberty to dispose of it whichever way you please. Again -- the guidelines (that you yourself posted a link to) clearly state that the landlord may not simply dispose of the property as they see fit. Rather, they need to put it (safely) in storage for a certain minimum period as prescribed by law. That's just checking 2 of the links that you provided - both of which clearly contradict the assertion you made.
- foxyv 6y ago
  Regarding your edit; a section of the people who browse Hacker News comments HATE landlords. Every comment I've seen from someone who has experience as one has seen a lot of downvotes. Even if they are just stating a fact or expanding on something.
  - scarface74 6y ago
    Not everyone wants to be a homeowner. Heck I didn’t want to be a homeowner in 2016 when I bought my current house. I thought I might be moving to the west coast to work for Big Tech this summer (2020) when my son graduated. Rent was going up so fast as people started moving into the area that it didn’t make sense to wait. Luckily, I found a remote job at Big Tech. But I dreaded thinking I might have to go through the hassle of moving pre-Covid. I hate to get meta. But I really haven’t seen anything this weird in the years I’ve been posting here. Easily verifiable facts with no opinions being added getting downvoted and no one disagreeing with me.
jkinudsjknds 6y ago
I wonder what kind of controls they have to ensure you actually have the right to evict tenants before hiring a crew. Or heck, that you even own the property.
- scarface74 6y ago
  The police better be there in my state to monitor the process.
  - deleted 6y ago
    [deleted]
Frost1x 6y ago
At least you have poor people fighting poor people over scraps--passing the blame, responsibility and sewing division. It seems like the American way to me! /s
Balgair 6y ago
I'd bet their screening process is initially going to be very poor. Meaning that some of the gig workers may be the evictees themselves. Silver lining: you can get paid to move to another place if you game this correctly.

Untrained gig workers. Angry tenants. I can't imagine what could go wrong here.

by wegs 6y ago

Untrained gig workers. Angry tenants. I can't imagine what could go wrong here.

As I said below, when you do it legally, someone from the sheriffs department is involved. A clean out crew is often made up of day laborers anyway. You also don’t have to be gentle with the tenants stuff. You just throw it out on the curb. Edit: I usually don’t comment on downvotes. But why is a factually correct comment being downvoted? I was a landlord, this is exactly the process in my state.

mercurysmessage 6y ago
That's awful, and you should be careful with tenants stuff. A lot of people on this site are cruel and callous.
- scarface74 6y ago
  Why are you telling me? I’m just stating the facts. People seem to think that getting random people to move tenants stuff on the street have to be gentle or they put themselves at risk of being sued. My statements are A) at least in my state, the police are there monitoring the actual eviction either way. B) you don’t hire professional movers who are careful with the tenants stuff. No one does. There is no increased liability from using this service over getting day laborers.
bserge 6y ago
[Sorry, I decided to not get involved in this discussion]
- scarface74 6y ago
  You have to schedule an eviction with the sheriff’s department. The police are there during the process. To get to the landlord, you have to go through the police first.
  - deleted 6y ago
    [deleted]
NationalPark 6y ago
You're being downvoted because "You also don’t have to be gentle with the tenants stuff." has a tone that implies you are particularly spiteful or disdainful of people who are essentially the least powerful in society. It suggests a level of cruelty beyond a transactional business relationship.
- scarface74 6y ago
  I haven’t been a landlord in over decade and I only had to do one eviction. Again I am stating facts. You don’t have to be gentle. These are the facts. I didn’t say you shouldn’t be. After that one eviction , the next time my rental properties became empty, I started getting rid of the properties. They weren’t worth the trouble. Facts aren’t always nice. That doesn’t mean they aren’t facts. Money is never “personal” to me. Once the real estate crash happened and my tenants started leaving, I did strategic defaults. I actually let one tenant stay at one of my properties for months without paying rent. I knew I was going to walk away from the underwater property anyway. I told them they could stay until the bank kicks them out. I told them I was going to let it go in foreclosure. They were fine with it. They had a place to stay for months, saved money and left before the bank evicted them. No eviction on their record. Edit: it seems to be endemic to this post, anyone care to reply why I am incorrect or why they disagree?
- ggghhhfff 6y ago
  I disagree, I read it as “it is not necessary to ensure that property remains unscathed from the eviction process, thus an untrained crew removing someone’s possessions from their former home is a reasonable/sensible idea”
deleted 6y ago
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vanusa 6y ago
I was a landlord, this is exactly the process in my state. You're being downvoted because (as is common knowledge) this is definitely not true for many (and I would wager most, if not nearly all) states.
- scarface74 6y ago
  Do you have a list of states where it isn’t the case? Have you been a landlord? Have you gone through the eviction process. Choosing the three largest states. It is the process in California https://civil.lasd.org/CivilProcess/cwig19.aspx?1 https://civil.lasd.org/CivilProcess/cwig19.aspx?1 New York https://nycourts.gov/CourtHelp/Homes/beingEvicted.shtml https://nycourts.gov/CourtHelp/Homes/beingEvicted.shtml Texas https://www.buildium.com/laws/texas-eviction-laws/ https://www.buildium.com/laws/texas-eviction-laws/ And a few other states. Florida: https://www.managecentralfloridaproperty.com/blog-eviction-process-florida-22.html https://www.managecentralfloridaproperty.com/blog-eviction-p... GA: https://www.citywiderpm.com/eviction-process-in-ga https://www.citywiderpm.com/eviction-process-in-ga Alabama: http://www.cloudwillis.com/2020/09/02/whats-next-for-eviction-cases-in-alabama/ http://www.cloudwillis.com/2020/09/02/whats-next-for-evictio... Tennessee: https://www.omnirealty.net/tennessee-eviction-process/more-444 https://www.omnirealty.net/tennessee-eviction-process/more-4... Kentucky https://kycir.org/2020/03/16/courts-may-be-closed-but-some-evictions-are-still-proceeding/ https://kycir.org/2020/03/16/courts-may-be-closed-but-some-e... Illinois https://www.paynelawchicago.com/eviction-faqs/ https://www.paynelawchicago.com/eviction-faqs/ Ohio: https://www.dannlaw.com/understanding-ohio-sheriff-sale-eviction-process/ https://www.dannlaw.com/understanding-ohio-sheriff-sale-evic... Wisconsin: https://www.danesheriff.com/Divisions/Support-Services/Evictions https://www.danesheriff.com/Divisions/Support-Services/Evict... Mississippi: https://www.buildium.com/laws/mississippi-eviction-laws/ https://www.buildium.com/laws/mississippi-eviction-laws/
  - vanusa 6y ago
    Have you gone through the eviction process. [?] Like they say where I hail from: "None a 'yer bizness." That said, a "scientific" analysis of a "representative sample" of the above links indicates that very few (if any) deal make any mention at all of the case to which we are referring: that is, where the tenant has vacated the premises (leaving their belongings on site) after the landlord has reclaimed possession. To use just one example that does make mention - California - it says: Any property of the tenant left on the premises will be turned over to the landlord for storage. That is - the landlord may not, as you suggest, dispose of it as they will. Rather, they need to put it in storage for the tenant to reclaim it a future date. And in Florida: If the renter leaves any personal property at the rental unit, the Florida eviction laws mandate you to notify them in writing. In Florida, the law requires that you give the tenant at least 10 days to claim the property. The 10-day period is if the notice was personally delivered to the renter. If mailed, the tenant has 15 days to claim the property. You can charge the tenant for storage of the property. The costs should be reasonable. If the tenant fails to claim the property within that time, you are at liberty to dispose of it whichever way you please. Again -- the guidelines (that you yourself posted a link to) clearly state that the landlord may not simply dispose of the property as they see fit. Rather, they need to put it (safely) in storage for a certain minimum period as prescribed by law. That's just checking 2 of the links that you provided - both of which clearly contradict the assertion you made.
foxyv 6y ago
Regarding your edit; a section of the people who browse Hacker News comments HATE landlords. Every comment I've seen from someone who has experience as one has seen a lot of downvotes. Even if they are just stating a fact or expanding on something.
- scarface74 6y ago
  Not everyone wants to be a homeowner. Heck I didn’t want to be a homeowner in 2016 when I bought my current house. I thought I might be moving to the west coast to work for Big Tech this summer (2020) when my son graduated. Rent was going up so fast as people started moving into the area that it didn’t make sense to wait. Luckily, I found a remote job at Big Tech. But I dreaded thinking I might have to go through the hassle of moving pre-Covid. I hate to get meta. But I really haven’t seen anything this weird in the years I’ve been posting here. Easily verifiable facts with no opinions being added getting downvoted and no one disagreeing with me.

jkinudsjknds 6y ago

I wonder what kind of controls they have to ensure you actually have the right to evict tenants before hiring a crew. Or heck, that you even own the property.

scarface74 6y ago
The police better be there in my state to monitor the process.
- deleted 6y ago
  [deleted]

Frost1x 6y ago

At least you have poor people fighting poor people over scraps--passing the blame, responsibility and sewing division. It seems like the American way to me! /s

Balgair 6y ago

I'd bet their screening process is initially going to be very poor. Meaning that some of the gig workers may be the evictees themselves. Silver lining: you can get paid to move to another place if you game this correctly.