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Pinegrow: Multi Platform HTML / CSS / JavaScript GUI
- bluewavescrash 6y agoWho's the demographic for this?
- batsteek 6y agoThe world?
- 0df8dkdf 6y agowhat about the found end developer who code html/css ?
- marc_io 6y agoMaybe, the “visual oriented coder”? Like, a designer that also want to control the code.
- batsteek 6y agoAh, you mean, the "target"? Well, people (amateurs, seasoned, professionals) who want to build responsive websites faster with the help of a powerful visual editor which includes live multi-page editing, CSS & SASS styling, CSS Grid editor and support for Bootstrap, Tailwind CSS, Foundation and WordPress.
- bluewavescrash 6y agoThis comment wasn't meant to be a bash... I hope it's successful. I just never met one dev who said "you know...I really want to throw out all my code and switch to a GUI editor".
- anaganisk 6y agoI remember using this a few years ago, but was irritated to see the nested div mess. It creates unnecessary amount of them to make a view look like what we intend. Is this common for other WYSIWYG editors for HTML? Or has this been fixed? Good to see it still kicking around tho, given how frequently things shut down.
- tmikaeld 6y agoHaving an enormous DOM due to too much inline tags and CSS is something that site builders are plagued with. It bottles down to the fact that there's no dynamic elements to the site builders, they edit static HTML and that requires everything customized to be in-lined. It's not uncommon to see a single page have more than 2000 DOM elements, thus giving warnings in the browser console about performance issues..
- colecut 6y agoWebflow somehow does a fairly decent job of not doing this
- marc_io 6y agoYup, but it doesn't support something as simple and widespread as custom breakpoints, CSS variables, pseudo-classes, but also descendant and non-class selectors.
- batsteek 6y agoPinegrow is not a site Builder. It is an HTML editor with visual features. The structure of your documents is the one you choose. Have a look at https://pinegrow.com/docs/getting-started/is-pinegrow-the-right-choice-for-you/ https://pinegrow.com/docs/getting-started/is-pinegrow-the-ri...
- batsteek 6y agoI think you're confusing it with another tool. Pinegrow is not a page builder, it's an HTML editor with visual features and support for frameworks like Bootstrap or Foundation. You can create standard HTML with the structure of your choice.
- dmje 6y agoIt doesn’t do this. It works with the html you give it, no extra fluff. I’ve been very impressed.
- namiller2 6y agoWe're back to Dreamweaver?
- detritus 6y agoIs that such a bad thing, in an absolute sense? Sure it made a mess of code (well, early versions, at least) but it enabled people who don't/can't/won't code to put content on the web fairly easily. I know I used it as a tool in the early DIV/CSS days to shunt stuff around quickly, before diving in to clean up the code afterwards.
- untog 6y agoOne big issue these days is mobile. A lot more difficult to do responsive design in the kind of UI Dreamweaver once provided.
- detritus 6y agoSure, but I'd then suggest it almost makes things easier - today's internet consumers are generally expectant of a certain range of formats, rather than the early CSS Days' DIV Free For All. A neat contemporary version of Dreamweaver, with a focus on CSS/Grid, Responsive layouts, etc, could be great!
- batsteek 6y agoThere is an article on this very subject that I invite you to read: https://pinegrow.com/blog/pinegrow-for-dreamweaver-users/ https://pinegrow.com/blog/pinegrow-for-dreamweaver-users/
- blacksmith_tb 6y agoWell, given that Squarespace/Wix/Weebly etc. are selling Dreamweaver-as-a-service (plus hosting), I would say there's a lot of demand still. Pinegrow seems like it would cater to someone slightly more technical (since you need to figure deploying/hosting), but not willing to entirely learn the frontend stuff just to make a simple site. I have plenty of sympathy with that, it's better than going with WordPress for a four-page brochure site, at least.
- gavinray 6y agoFWIW, close friend of mine (who is a very talented engineer) paid for the Tailwind editor, and used it to build a small SaaS platform with Tailwind UI. He had nothing but good things to say about it, says it was worth the purchase. If you are looking for an OSS similar product, with less polish, I recommend Grapes.js https://grapesjs.com https://grapesjs.com Haven't used it myself, though contemplated it. Would potentially have bought a subscription if they offered a free trial and could test it out.
- tmikaeld 6y agoHm, I'm quite sure it's against Tailwind ToS to build a page editor using their framework? Do you have a link to his platform? I'm curious.
- madeofpalk 6y agotailwind is not MIT so you can do with it whatever you want?
- freedomben 6y agoNo, tailwind UI is not "do whatever you want." There are license conditions: https://www.notion.so/Tailwind-UI-License-644418bb34ad4fa29aac9b82e956a867 https://www.notion.so/Tailwind-UI-License-644418bb34ad4fa29a...
- kickopotomus 6y agotailwind UI != the tailwind CSS framework. The CSS framework is licensed under MIT[1]. [1]: https://github.com/tailwindlabs/tailwindcss/blob/master/LICENSE https://github.com/tailwindlabs/tailwindcss/blob/master/LICE...
- freedomben 6y agoThe GP specified Tailwind UI, as did I. Nobody that I can see has stated or implied that Tailwind UI == Tailwind CSS
- kroltan 6y agoDon't redirect people to different languages by geographic location! Especially if your translation is incomplete and you don't have a button to change language.
- SparkyMcUnicorn 6y agoIf you're going to redirect, I think it should be based on the browser language. This preference is usually accessible everywhere in your stack.
- vorpalhex 6y agoBased on the title, I thought this was a GUI library to compete with Electron/etc, not another Dreamweaver/frontpage.
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- scoopdewoop 6y agoI have used this, and have recommended it vehemently to people who I thought it could help. It has a very specific target demographic, in my mind. If you are a developer, and you need to bash out a full design, this tool provides excellent tools for keeping your markup/stylesheet technical part clean, while rapidly editing visually. I worked in small web shops with no designers on staff. Also great for making product pages, docs, side project stuff. It relies entirely on your chosen framework for its elements. No custom "blocks", just the exact components you'd find in the docs. The editor is great for managing classes and keeping CSS/SASS clean. Its as fast to make a new class and add it to the element as just inlining the style, so the ergonomics help thwart bad habits. I recently made a small business website with this + netlify, and it was the first time in my experience where making a website was as simple as it ought to be.
- nickthemagicman 6y agoThe WordPress part is awesome! Going to try this out.