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>TS is still too immature to recommend care to explain? I don't think TS is immature, but whether it's true or not, Java is still used by 90% of the enterpris

>TS is still too immature to recommend care to explain? I don't think TS is immature, but whether it's true or not, Java is still used by 90% of the enterprises. I am amazed why Node.js (TS in server) could not yet challenge Java, especially in large enterprise systems.

mxschumacher 6y ago
because enterprises run huge and old systems performing critical functions, these systems get modified around the edges (small extensions, bugfixes, performance tuning), not completely re-written. To justify switching the stack (at gigantic expense in training and engineering), a vastly superior technology would have to present itself. I don't think switching from Java to Node would make a big difference for the bottom line.
- anon73044 6y ago
  >because enterprises run huge and old systems performing critical functions, these systems get modified around the edges (small extensions, bugfixes, performance tuning), not completely re-written. Not every enterprise runs a single huge monolithic app or codebase.
- fendy3002 6y ago
  As a daily typescript developer coming from C#, I don't think TS will replace Java / C# even with it's typing system. For daily CRUD simple system, sure. For more complex operation I still vouch for C#. I don't know why, just feel like that, maybe stricter typing system and more verbose language is giving me more confidence.
- murukesh_s 6y ago
  it's baffling that at least even after a decade, no major adoption of Node.js ecosystem happened in enterprise. At least we expected new projects to migrate to Node.js but it did not happen yet. I believe the Node.js is yet to have large backing that Java had in it's early days which made things like JDBC and JMS and associated drivers from almost all vendors. Node.js feels like a not so solid, light-weight, scripting language in comparison.
avolcano 6y ago
I wrote a comment about this a couple months ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23355513 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23355513 I'm still planning to write a longer blog post about it with more details. I think in terms of enterprise usage, there is no equivalent to a batteries-included framework like Spring Boot - especially not one with paid support available for big companies.

mxschumacher 6y ago

because enterprises run huge and old systems performing critical functions, these systems get modified around the edges (small extensions, bugfixes, performance tuning), not completely re-written. To justify switching the stack (at gigantic expense in training and engineering), a vastly superior technology would have to present itself. I don't think switching from Java to Node would make a big difference for the bottom line.

anon73044 6y ago
>because enterprises run huge and old systems performing critical functions, these systems get modified around the edges (small extensions, bugfixes, performance tuning), not completely re-written. Not every enterprise runs a single huge monolithic app or codebase.
fendy3002 6y ago
As a daily typescript developer coming from C#, I don't think TS will replace Java / C# even with it's typing system. For daily CRUD simple system, sure. For more complex operation I still vouch for C#. I don't know why, just feel like that, maybe stricter typing system and more verbose language is giving me more confidence.
murukesh_s 6y ago
it's baffling that at least even after a decade, no major adoption of Node.js ecosystem happened in enterprise. At least we expected new projects to migrate to Node.js but it did not happen yet. I believe the Node.js is yet to have large backing that Java had in it's early days which made things like JDBC and JMS and associated drivers from almost all vendors. Node.js feels like a not so solid, light-weight, scripting language in comparison.

avolcano 6y ago

I wrote a comment about this a couple months ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23355513 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23355513 I'm still planning to write a longer blog post about it with more details. I think in terms of enterprise usage, there is no equivalent to a batteries-included framework like Spring Boot - especially not one with paid support available for big companies.