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Apple Pay is a godsend right now. Contactless payments up to £1000 mean I can pay for basically everything without touching anything. IMO, pick your battles. I

by shocks 6y ago

Apple Pay is a godsend right now. Contactless payments up to £1000 mean I can pay for basically everything without touching anything. IMO, pick your battles. I’m happy to pay £0.79 to backup all my photos, and £5/m for decent email. I’ve self hosted before. It’s too much stress for me.

ValentineC 6y ago
> IMO, pick your battles. I’m happy to pay £0.79 to backup all my photos, and £5/m for decent email. I agree. There's so much peace of mind in having my photos uploaded to the cloud every so often, and my phone automatically backed up every night. It's possible to go further: iCloud on Windows is able to automatically download the actual files, so those get backed up somewhere else.
- roydivision 6y ago
  Yup, I’ve tried doing all this myself, interesting technical exercise, but realistically I have other things to do. Additionally to iCloud I have configured my Mac Mini to download all files and photos, which are then backed up using BackBlaze.
  - ValentineC 6y ago
    > Additionally to iCloud I have configured my Mac Mini to download all files and photos, which are then backed up using BackBlaze. Do you just back up the `Photos Library.photoslibrary` folder?
    - toomuchtodo 6y ago
      Yes (not OP, but I do the same). If you're worried about something munging that data, you can take a point in time snapshot of that folder to B2 using the Backblaze UI, and it'll dump a zip of the folder into B2 for you.
tinus_hn 6y ago
Wait until you experience the stress of Apple deleting all your photos including the backup, because someone got them to clear your account.
- dman 6y ago
  The one thing that worries me is that most places do not specify if you will get the same pictures back bit by bit that you stored there. My worst fear is that they will transcode them over time to save space. [This is not limited to Apple - have this concern about any online photo storage service]
grezql 6y ago
wait untill more people use Apple Pay, they will be taking their infamous 30% fees. Either from you or the merchant. sidenote: Apple Pay is being blocked by major Norwegian banks because Apple refuses to let banks create competitor payment app with NFC.
- oarsinsync 6y ago
  > wait untill more people use Apple Pay, they will be taking their infamous 30% fees. Either from you or the merchant. We have regulations in the EU that will prevent that from occurring. I can't speak for other places, but payments is heavily regulated EU-wide, with caps on the fees that card processors can charge.
tuananh 6y ago
i thought icloud doesn't do backup? it just stream photos between devices?
oarsinsync 6y ago
> Contactless payments up to £1000 mean I can pay for basically everything without touching anything. This feels like a good opportunity to reflect on the Apple Watch, and security around contactless payments. Try taking off your apple watch, but keeping your fingers pressed against the back of the watch as you do. If you time it right (it's really not difficult to time it right), you can take off someone's watch and place it on your own wrist, without triggering the lock. If you have a debit or credit card associated with your watch, you're now at risk of a supposedly authenticated card payment occurring. (I removed all my cards from my Apple Watch S3 when I realised this vulnerability)
- bb123 6y ago
  That sounds like it would be incredibly hard to do without the user noticing. Either way, if you're concerned about this could you not just use a strap that is harder to remove?
  - whitehouse3 6y ago
    For a talented pick-pocket it’s not as hard as you think. Apollo Robins and David Blaine both remove watches from oblivious marks during their sleight of hand routines. Anecdotally, someone lifted my friend’s gold Rolex while he stood in line at a street market. And it was on a bracelet which is basically a handcuff! Apple Watches are much lighter too, so it’s harder to notice when it goes away.
    - bb123 6y ago
      But the risk is no higher for an Apple Watch than a Rolex or a wallet full of credit cards no? Especially if you use a credit card where you have charge back protections.
      - ValentineC 6y ago
        I would imagine that Apple Pay transactions would be harder to dispute than say, a contactless transaction with a physical card, because the banks know that one has to authenticate before using it.

by shocks 6y ago

ValentineC 6y ago

> IMO, pick your battles. I’m happy to pay £0.79 to backup all my photos, and £5/m for decent email. I agree. There's so much peace of mind in having my photos uploaded to the cloud every so often, and my phone automatically backed up every night. It's possible to go further: iCloud on Windows is able to automatically download the actual files, so those get backed up somewhere else.

roydivision 6y ago
Yup, I’ve tried doing all this myself, interesting technical exercise, but realistically I have other things to do. Additionally to iCloud I have configured my Mac Mini to download all files and photos, which are then backed up using BackBlaze.
- ValentineC 6y ago
  > Additionally to iCloud I have configured my Mac Mini to download all files and photos, which are then backed up using BackBlaze. Do you just back up the `Photos Library.photoslibrary` folder?
  - toomuchtodo 6y ago
    Yes (not OP, but I do the same). If you're worried about something munging that data, you can take a point in time snapshot of that folder to B2 using the Backblaze UI, and it'll dump a zip of the folder into B2 for you.

tinus_hn 6y ago

Wait until you experience the stress of Apple deleting all your photos including the backup, because someone got them to clear your account.

dman 6y ago
The one thing that worries me is that most places do not specify if you will get the same pictures back bit by bit that you stored there. My worst fear is that they will transcode them over time to save space. [This is not limited to Apple - have this concern about any online photo storage service]

grezql 6y ago

wait untill more people use Apple Pay, they will be taking their infamous 30% fees. Either from you or the merchant. sidenote: Apple Pay is being blocked by major Norwegian banks because Apple refuses to let banks create competitor payment app with NFC.

oarsinsync 6y ago
> wait untill more people use Apple Pay, they will be taking their infamous 30% fees. Either from you or the merchant. We have regulations in the EU that will prevent that from occurring. I can't speak for other places, but payments is heavily regulated EU-wide, with caps on the fees that card processors can charge.

tuananh 6y ago

i thought icloud doesn't do backup? it just stream photos between devices?

oarsinsync 6y ago

> Contactless payments up to £1000 mean I can pay for basically everything without touching anything. This feels like a good opportunity to reflect on the Apple Watch, and security around contactless payments. Try taking off your apple watch, but keeping your fingers pressed against the back of the watch as you do. If you time it right (it's really not difficult to time it right), you can take off someone's watch and place it on your own wrist, without triggering the lock. If you have a debit or credit card associated with your watch, you're now at risk of a supposedly authenticated card payment occurring. (I removed all my cards from my Apple Watch S3 when I realised this vulnerability)

bb123 6y ago
That sounds like it would be incredibly hard to do without the user noticing. Either way, if you're concerned about this could you not just use a strap that is harder to remove?
- whitehouse3 6y ago
  For a talented pick-pocket it’s not as hard as you think. Apollo Robins and David Blaine both remove watches from oblivious marks during their sleight of hand routines. Anecdotally, someone lifted my friend’s gold Rolex while he stood in line at a street market. And it was on a bracelet which is basically a handcuff! Apple Watches are much lighter too, so it’s harder to notice when it goes away.
  - bb123 6y ago
    But the risk is no higher for an Apple Watch than a Rolex or a wallet full of credit cards no? Especially if you use a credit card where you have charge back protections.
    - ValentineC 6y ago
      I would imagine that Apple Pay transactions would be harder to dispute than say, a contactless transaction with a physical card, because the banks know that one has to authenticate before using it.