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> If people are responsible and won't go to restaurants See here's the thing: Just because you and others like you have a certain definition of "responsible" d

> If people are responsible and won't go to restaurants See here's the thing: Just because you and others like you have a certain definition of "responsible" doesn't mean it should or does apply to everyone. Should we ban skydiving because it's irresponsible? Condom-less sex? This is about choice. Re-open and let people and businesses choose. Have a laugh with me tonight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXWhbUUE4ko https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXWhbUUE4ko

666lumberjack 6y ago
If it were possible to ensure everyone who would potentially be exposed to covid-19 as a result of your decision to engage in high-risk activities had given informed consent, I'd be fine with letting people decide for themselves. Since that isn't the case, your comparison is patently absurd. Skydiving isn't contagious.
piva00 6y ago
No, this is about the common good, where personal choices might have a disproportionate impact unto others. I don't care if you don't care about getting infected or not, I do care if you get infected and spread that to others that don't hold your values. Society and populations don't work well with personal responsibility when their actions' impacts are too far removed from their personal sphere, if you kill someone 3rd hand because you infected someone who worked in a care facility: how are you going to know and act accordingly? This bullshit about personal freedoms and responsibility in the middle of a pandemic tells me more about the people who don't have a holistic view of society but this ideologue monologue about personal freedom, this is your value, this isn't how society work yet.
watwut 6y ago
None of that implies that systematically trying to frame people who don't go to restaurant as emotional or acting on fear is fair way to frame it. Disagreement over what is responsible is something entirely different then "your fear".

666lumberjack 6y ago

If it were possible to ensure everyone who would potentially be exposed to covid-19 as a result of your decision to engage in high-risk activities had given informed consent, I'd be fine with letting people decide for themselves. Since that isn't the case, your comparison is patently absurd. Skydiving isn't contagious.

piva00 6y ago

No, this is about the common good, where personal choices might have a disproportionate impact unto others. I don't care if you don't care about getting infected or not, I do care if you get infected and spread that to others that don't hold your values. Society and populations don't work well with personal responsibility when their actions' impacts are too far removed from their personal sphere, if you kill someone 3rd hand because you infected someone who worked in a care facility: how are you going to know and act accordingly? This bullshit about personal freedoms and responsibility in the middle of a pandemic tells me more about the people who don't have a holistic view of society but this ideologue monologue about personal freedom, this is your value, this isn't how society work yet.

watwut 6y ago

None of that implies that systematically trying to frame people who don't go to restaurant as emotional or acting on fear is fair way to frame it. Disagreement over what is responsible is something entirely different then "your fear".