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It is interesting to think of a future where wars between countries could be fought through duels between "champion robots" with no loss of innocent people's li

It is interesting to think of a future where wars between countries could be fought through duels between "champion robots" with no loss of innocent people's lives. EDIT: I didn't expect this comment to be controversial/downvoted, and it is interesting that it is evoking some level of passive aggressive sarcasm.

yetihehe 6y ago
We could skip robots and use chess or better go.
konart 6y ago
>Gundam >no loss of people's lives Sure...
markdown 6y ago
USA vs Japan happened back in 2017.
mondoshawan 6y ago
Sounds more like Robot Jox than Gundam...
pjgalbraith 6y ago
Reminds me of the story of the Roman Horatii and Curiatii who fought in a duel to the death in place of their home armies. So I guess there is historical president for it.
- Digit-Al 6y ago
  > So I guess there is historical president for it. I think you'll find you mean 'precedent' :-)
082349872349872 6y ago
I'm thinking a china vs. india epic dance battle would be a good way to address the border issue. For cyprus, the greeks and turks could just speed up the music until some team loses the beat. Spratly islands could be sorted with synchronised swimming? Bonus clips: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twbuT1V5mFE&t=10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twbuT1V5mFE&t=10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_e2igZexpMs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_e2igZexpMs
- sdenton4 6y ago
  I mean, this is kinda what the olympics does, right? Show off how good you are at making soldier-like people, celebrate some nationalism, acknowledge that the other countries are also humans capable of training good soldier-like people, and then everyone goes home and continues trading.
ranger207 6y ago
That sounds like G Gundam. https://gundam.fandom.com/wiki/Mobile_Fighter_G_Gundam https://gundam.fandom.com/wiki/Mobile_Fighter_G_Gundam
valuearb 6y ago
Gundam are people too!
jmnicolas 6y ago
If people have to spill their blood to make war there will be a lot less of them. And even with robots, once you destroyed the enemy robots, what happens then if they don't surrender? Now your robots have to kill humans (or if you refuse you didn't achieve anything of consequence).
mattlondon 6y ago
This is the same idea as letting two sides play chess and see who wins. It might work for trivial matters, but when the stakes are high and the chips are down human nature is always going to lead to force to get what is important. "Ok so our robot beat your robot on some contrived fight. We're going to invade your country with a population of millions, take all of your money and possessions and force you all to work in the salt mines as slaves until you die an untimely and avoidable death. Please form an orderly line at the salt-death-mines tomorrow morning. This is totally fine since the robot your country sent to fight ours lost so you've just got to accept it without any resistance. Kthx Bai - signed your new overlords"
- chrischen 6y ago
  Well if our robots beat your robots in killing each other, the logical next step is that the robots would kill the human opponents. So it’s not quite like a contrived chess game if the humans are reasonably inferior fighting machines. It’s more like proxy battles, and in real life we do this with expendable humans rather than robots. When a side decides to surrender it’s not necessarily when the last person is wiped out... usually done when the military is near or close to defeat. OP is suggesting that one day robots could outclass flesh and bone humans so much that real humans will be like the women and children of past society that will not have to fight in real battles.
  - TaylorAlexander 6y ago
    It’s already like that today. The robots are unmanned aircraft with missiles. The US kills a fair amount of people using this method, though it is not widely reported. https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/05/14/122732/ https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/05/14/122732/
- qppo 6y ago
  I think it was Kissinger that said (paraphrasing) war is a tool to achieve political objectives. The necessity, scale and manner of violence depends on what those objectives are and feasibility of success. The kind of political dilemma that would be solved by a mecha duel would probably not be the same one that requires invasion and enslavement in death mines.

yetihehe 6y ago

We could skip robots and use chess or better go.

konart 6y ago

>Gundam >no loss of people's lives Sure...

markdown 6y ago

USA vs Japan happened back in 2017.

mondoshawan 6y ago

Sounds more like Robot Jox than Gundam...

pjgalbraith 6y ago

Reminds me of the story of the Roman Horatii and Curiatii who fought in a duel to the death in place of their home armies. So I guess there is historical president for it.

Digit-Al 6y ago
> So I guess there is historical president for it. I think you'll find you mean 'precedent' :-)

082349872349872 6y ago

I'm thinking a china vs. india epic dance battle would be a good way to address the border issue. For cyprus, the greeks and turks could just speed up the music until some team loses the beat. Spratly islands could be sorted with synchronised swimming? Bonus clips: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twbuT1V5mFE&t=10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twbuT1V5mFE&t=10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_e2igZexpMs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_e2igZexpMs

sdenton4 6y ago
I mean, this is kinda what the olympics does, right? Show off how good you are at making soldier-like people, celebrate some nationalism, acknowledge that the other countries are also humans capable of training good soldier-like people, and then everyone goes home and continues trading.

ranger207 6y ago

That sounds like G Gundam. https://gundam.fandom.com/wiki/Mobile_Fighter_G_Gundam https://gundam.fandom.com/wiki/Mobile_Fighter_G_Gundam

valuearb 6y ago

Gundam are people too!

jmnicolas 6y ago

If people have to spill their blood to make war there will be a lot less of them. And even with robots, once you destroyed the enemy robots, what happens then if they don't surrender? Now your robots have to kill humans (or if you refuse you didn't achieve anything of consequence).

mattlondon 6y ago

This is the same idea as letting two sides play chess and see who wins. It might work for trivial matters, but when the stakes are high and the chips are down human nature is always going to lead to force to get what is important. "Ok so our robot beat your robot on some contrived fight. We're going to invade your country with a population of millions, take all of your money and possessions and force you all to work in the salt mines as slaves until you die an untimely and avoidable death. Please form an orderly line at the salt-death-mines tomorrow morning. This is totally fine since the robot your country sent to fight ours lost so you've just got to accept it without any resistance. Kthx Bai - signed your new overlords"

chrischen 6y ago
Well if our robots beat your robots in killing each other, the logical next step is that the robots would kill the human opponents. So it’s not quite like a contrived chess game if the humans are reasonably inferior fighting machines. It’s more like proxy battles, and in real life we do this with expendable humans rather than robots. When a side decides to surrender it’s not necessarily when the last person is wiped out... usually done when the military is near or close to defeat. OP is suggesting that one day robots could outclass flesh and bone humans so much that real humans will be like the women and children of past society that will not have to fight in real battles.
- TaylorAlexander 6y ago
  It’s already like that today. The robots are unmanned aircraft with missiles. The US kills a fair amount of people using this method, though it is not widely reported. https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/05/14/122732/ https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/05/14/122732/
qppo 6y ago
I think it was Kissinger that said (paraphrasing) war is a tool to achieve political objectives. The necessity, scale and manner of violence depends on what those objectives are and feasibility of success. The kind of political dilemma that would be solved by a mecha duel would probably not be the same one that requires invasion and enslavement in death mines.