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Thats not how any of this works. The problem with a market is you have a rate that if something is below it its not profitable for people to live in a place. Id

Thats not how any of this works. The problem with a market is you have a rate that if something is below it its not profitable for people to live in a place. Idk why people blame the building owners. And people who do this are always people with perfectly good couches in their living rooms but would never let a homeless person sleep there, but want others to give up a entire building.

newfriend 6y ago
And then you want to give them my money, taken from me by force by the government.
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swiley 6y ago
That would work in a normal market but the realestate market hasn't been allowed to correct because we keep bailing it out by having the fed buy up all the debt. This raises rent because it decreases the supply (people can just hold onto buildings as investments and not bother renting them out or wait for someone willing to pay something that should be above market value) and also raises inflation. Let me explain it to you simply: The landlords made a bad investment, bailing them out forces everyone else to pay for it. In the "it's my property" sense it's identical to forcing someone to house homeless people (although the comparison still isn't the same because the landlords generally don't live in the buildings they're renting out.)
- TuringNYC 6y ago
  I always found it curious how large employers in Manhattan would be moving out because the rent was too high. Simultaneously buildings would be converting into condos because they were unable to fill vacant commercial space. As an example, two buildings where I worked had this happen: 70 Pine Street (AIG) and 75 Wall Street(JPMorgan.) Doesnt the market meet somewhere in the middle?
  - nickff 6y ago
    I am not sure about NYC, but commercial property taxes are usually very high, and borne by the tenants; this may be a factor in the employers moving out.
xmodem 6y ago
The problem is that what is actually going on in NY - and many other markets - doesn't remotely resemble a properly functioning market: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdfmMB1E_qk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdfmMB1E_qk
- DyslexicAtheist 6y ago
  thanks that was interesting. tl;dr: 2 years free rent with the condition that the tenant doesn't ask for a lower price. due to language in the contract the rent can not go beyond a specific (low) value. the loan isn't held by the bank but immediately restructured and sold as a CMBS (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commercial_mortgage-backed_security https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commercial_mortgage-backed_sec...) here is the reddit post that he recaps: https://www.reddit.com/r/nyc/comments/innhah/nearly_twothirds_of_new_york_restaurants_may_have/g4ai27m/?context=3 https://www.reddit.com/r/nyc/comments/innhah/nearly_twothird...
sooheon 6y ago
The way you think markets work don't always apply to land. Land (distinct from buildings) is one of the few resources for which ownership without utilization or improvement is not only profitable but sometimes optimal.

newfriend 6y ago

And then you want to give them my money, taken from me by force by the government.

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swiley 6y ago

That would work in a normal market but the realestate market hasn't been allowed to correct because we keep bailing it out by having the fed buy up all the debt. This raises rent because it decreases the supply (people can just hold onto buildings as investments and not bother renting them out or wait for someone willing to pay something that should be above market value) and also raises inflation. Let me explain it to you simply: The landlords made a bad investment, bailing them out forces everyone else to pay for it. In the "it's my property" sense it's identical to forcing someone to house homeless people (although the comparison still isn't the same because the landlords generally don't live in the buildings they're renting out.)

TuringNYC 6y ago
I always found it curious how large employers in Manhattan would be moving out because the rent was too high. Simultaneously buildings would be converting into condos because they were unable to fill vacant commercial space. As an example, two buildings where I worked had this happen: 70 Pine Street (AIG) and 75 Wall Street(JPMorgan.) Doesnt the market meet somewhere in the middle?
- nickff 6y ago
  I am not sure about NYC, but commercial property taxes are usually very high, and borne by the tenants; this may be a factor in the employers moving out.

xmodem 6y ago

The problem is that what is actually going on in NY - and many other markets - doesn't remotely resemble a properly functioning market: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdfmMB1E_qk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdfmMB1E_qk

DyslexicAtheist 6y ago
thanks that was interesting. tl;dr: 2 years free rent with the condition that the tenant doesn't ask for a lower price. due to language in the contract the rent can not go beyond a specific (low) value. the loan isn't held by the bank but immediately restructured and sold as a CMBS (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commercial_mortgage-backed_security https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commercial_mortgage-backed_sec...) here is the reddit post that he recaps: https://www.reddit.com/r/nyc/comments/innhah/nearly_twothirds_of_new_york_restaurants_may_have/g4ai27m/?context=3 https://www.reddit.com/r/nyc/comments/innhah/nearly_twothird...

sooheon 6y ago

The way you think markets work don't always apply to land. Land (distinct from buildings) is one of the few resources for which ownership without utilization or improvement is not only profitable but sometimes optimal.