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In another thread here someone mentioned that they have "Lisp fatigue", meaning they're just tired of reading ad infinitum threads about just how great and awes

by cletus 16y ago

In another thread here someone mentioned that they have "Lisp fatigue", meaning they're just tired of reading ad infinitum threads about just how great and awesome Lisp is. It's gotten to the point of being repetitive and boring. I feel exactly the same way about iOS vs Android. Ultimately, Google is a search and advertising company. From our (disclaimer: I work for Google but have nothing to do with Android) perspective, I believe Android is a stellar success as the more people use the Internet, the more money we make. Android has successfully (IMHO) commoditized the smartphone OS, which is good for everyone who isn't a mobile OS maker. Apple is a consumer hardware company and a stunningly successful one at that. Android is a means to an end for Google just as iOS is a means to an end for Apple. So all these "analyses"/opinions basically miss the point because Apple and Google are playing two different games. What's more, I find Apple coverage to be incredibly shortsighted. Like when the Xoom came out in January and the usual suspects went on about how much better it was than the iPad, missing two key points: 1. Consumers don't compare bullet lists of tech specs; and 2. Apple's successor (the iPad 2) was only 1-2 months out. Both competitors and commenters are constantly chasing Apple's last year's product, seemingly ignorant than Apple is a constantly moving goalpost. Also, IMHO smartphones are largely irrelevant anyway. The real battleground is tablets and this is one area where Apple has a phenomenal lead. It's my contention that the digital content and app ecosystems are far more important for tablets than phones (since a greater percentage of even smartphone users spend a greater percentage of their time using "standard" functionality, being SMS messaging, phone calls and maps; I believe data on app purchases would back this up). Android is certainly a stunning success and I believe huge credit goes to Andy Rubin and the executive team. It is second only to search in terms of Google's successes.

cageface 16y ago
Also, IMHO smartphones are largely irrelevant anyway. The real battleground is tablets and this is one area where Apple has a phenomenal lead. As a mobile dev, I'd like to believe this, because the tablet is a much more interesting dev target. But it still seems to me that smartphones are ubiquitous and increasingly indispensable whereas tablets are still mainly an appealing luxury.
bits4kids 16y ago
I can't find my password right now, so pardon the new account, but I find your post an excellent example of extraordinary hypocrisy. I recognized your nick immediately because you are an absolute regular in every iOS vs Android thread. http://www.google.com/#q=site:news.ycombinator.com+cletus+android http://www.google.com/#q=site:news.ycombinator.com+cletus+an... Here you are, again, once again taking the opportunity to tell everyone why iOS wins (protip: No one talked about how much better the Xoom was than the iPad. When you have to set up strawmen, your cover is blown). Why did you open this story? Why did you comment? Are you so tortured in your noble quest of setting everyone straight that it keeps you awake at night? I suspect your real fatigue is the fatigue of fighting how things have gone. Just let it go and stop worrying about it, and gloat about your brilliance when whatever scenario you think is going to play out actually plays out. If you're so fatigued, just stop commenting on the topic. Instead you sound like John Gruber, desperately tilting at the wind.

by cletus 16y ago

cageface 16y ago

Also, IMHO smartphones are largely irrelevant anyway. The real battleground is tablets and this is one area where Apple has a phenomenal lead. As a mobile dev, I'd like to believe this, because the tablet is a much more interesting dev target. But it still seems to me that smartphones are ubiquitous and increasingly indispensable whereas tablets are still mainly an appealing luxury.

bits4kids 16y ago

I can't find my password right now, so pardon the new account, but I find your post an excellent example of extraordinary hypocrisy. I recognized your nick immediately because you are an absolute regular in every iOS vs Android thread. http://www.google.com/#q=site:news.ycombinator.com+cletus+android http://www.google.com/#q=site:news.ycombinator.com+cletus+an... Here you are, again, once again taking the opportunity to tell everyone why iOS wins (protip: No one talked about how much better the Xoom was than the iPad. When you have to set up strawmen, your cover is blown). Why did you open this story? Why did you comment? Are you so tortured in your noble quest of setting everyone straight that it keeps you awake at night? I suspect your real fatigue is the fatigue of fighting how things have gone. Just let it go and stop worrying about it, and gloat about your brilliance when whatever scenario you think is going to play out actually plays out. If you're so fatigued, just stop commenting on the topic. Instead you sound like John Gruber, desperately tilting at the wind.