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Maybe we disagree about how to pronounce the word "value". I pronounce it roughly "val-ee-oo" but maybe you pronounce it simply as "val-oo"?

axaxs 6y ago
I'm ashamed to admit I didn't get the connection of the name to "key value" until this comment. So do you yourself pronounce it kee va loo or kee va lyoo? As an American, I see no distinction between the sounds of 'loo' and 'lieu'.
- samatman 6y ago
  Also American, I pronounce loo /lu/ and lieu /lyu/, in IPA. I do commonly hear the expression "in lieu of" rendered "in loo of" but have always considered that incorrect, much like pronouncing the t in "often". It is, of course, just dialect, and the entire idea of 'incorrect pronunciation' is suspect! But I can't help but consider /lyu/ to indicate a higher, er, register.
  - axaxs 6y ago
    I think it really depends on where you're from. I've been hopelessly trying to teach my wife 'perfect' English pronunciation at her request, and the best advice I came up with is to talk with your throat and not your mouth. At least in the Southeast, this works almost perfectly. But we say 'loo' if anything at all, it's a pretty rare word. From my experience, the more north you go the more you talk with your tongue/mouth. In my examples I was almost able to complete full sentences without moving my lips at all.
  - jacobolus 6y ago
    The standard American pronunciation of lieu is "loo". Some people who read the word before ever hearing it (it’s a rare word in ordinary speech, more common in writing), or maybe took a high school French class and want to sound fancy, say something like "lyoo" instead, but this is non-standard and uncommon. (Neither of the two is a correct pronunciation in French.)
OJFord 6y ago
Er, neither really, 'val-you'. Two syllables, definitely not three, but there is a 'y'. Rhymes with pew, few, you, new, yew, Kew, etc.
- cperciva 6y ago
  Fair enough. Yes, two syllables, but there's a sound between the "val" and the "oo" parts. If I see "loo" absent context I would normally pronounce it without that intervening sound. Whereas "lieu" has it.
  - OJFord 6y ago
    For me that intervening sound is a hard 'y' though (as in 'yes') not long 'ee'. Now I'm confused over whether Kivaloo is '~oo' as I assumed, or (roughly, weaker 'y') '~yoo' as I think we agree 'lieu' is?
    - cperciva 6y ago
      It's pronounced "key-value". The "kee-va-lieu" thing was a joke. ;-)
  - wglb 6y ago
    How do you pronounce “solder”?
    - cperciva 6y ago
      saw-dur.
      - wglb 6y ago
        That is what I am accustomed to. However, Mr. Carlson of Mr. Carlson's lab pronounces it "soll-der". https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCU9SoQxJewrWb_3GxeteQPA https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCU9SoQxJewrWb_3GxeteQPA I was wondering if that is a common Canadian pronounciation.

axaxs 6y ago

I'm ashamed to admit I didn't get the connection of the name to "key value" until this comment. So do you yourself pronounce it kee va loo or kee va lyoo? As an American, I see no distinction between the sounds of 'loo' and 'lieu'.

samatman 6y ago
Also American, I pronounce loo /lu/ and lieu /lyu/, in IPA. I do commonly hear the expression "in lieu of" rendered "in loo of" but have always considered that incorrect, much like pronouncing the t in "often". It is, of course, just dialect, and the entire idea of 'incorrect pronunciation' is suspect! But I can't help but consider /lyu/ to indicate a higher, er, register.
- axaxs 6y ago
  I think it really depends on where you're from. I've been hopelessly trying to teach my wife 'perfect' English pronunciation at her request, and the best advice I came up with is to talk with your throat and not your mouth. At least in the Southeast, this works almost perfectly. But we say 'loo' if anything at all, it's a pretty rare word. From my experience, the more north you go the more you talk with your tongue/mouth. In my examples I was almost able to complete full sentences without moving my lips at all.
- jacobolus 6y ago
  The standard American pronunciation of lieu is "loo". Some people who read the word before ever hearing it (it’s a rare word in ordinary speech, more common in writing), or maybe took a high school French class and want to sound fancy, say something like "lyoo" instead, but this is non-standard and uncommon. (Neither of the two is a correct pronunciation in French.)

OJFord 6y ago

Er, neither really, 'val-you'. Two syllables, definitely not three, but there is a 'y'. Rhymes with pew, few, you, new, yew, Kew, etc.

cperciva 6y ago
Fair enough. Yes, two syllables, but there's a sound between the "val" and the "oo" parts. If I see "loo" absent context I would normally pronounce it without that intervening sound. Whereas "lieu" has it.
- OJFord 6y ago
  For me that intervening sound is a hard 'y' though (as in 'yes') not long 'ee'. Now I'm confused over whether Kivaloo is '~oo' as I assumed, or (roughly, weaker 'y') '~yoo' as I think we agree 'lieu' is?
  - cperciva 6y ago
    It's pronounced "key-value". The "kee-va-lieu" thing was a joke. ;-)
- wglb 6y ago
  How do you pronounce “solder”?
  - cperciva 6y ago
    saw-dur.
    - wglb 6y ago
      That is what I am accustomed to. However, Mr. Carlson of Mr. Carlson's lab pronounces it "soll-der". https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCU9SoQxJewrWb_3GxeteQPA https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCU9SoQxJewrWb_3GxeteQPA I was wondering if that is a common Canadian pronounciation.