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It’s disqualifying because, in the case of furries, it started as a sexual fantasy. Much of the furry community sees fursonas as a sexual choice. If you includ

by jbob2000 6y ago

It’s disqualifying because, in the case of furries, it started as a sexual fantasy. Much of the furry community sees fursonas as a sexual choice. If you included pictures of scantily clad people in all of your posts, I would also hesitate to send it to my manager. Anime has a huge sexual following as well. There’s an entire industry around printing anime girls onto body pillows for these fans to sleep with, for example.

some_furry 6y ago
> It's disqualifying because, in the case of furries, it started as a sexual fantasy. I don't know where you heard that, but it's incorrect. There's a documentary that delves into the history of the furry fandom: https://youtu.be/c2N1sFWRRf8 https://youtu.be/c2N1sFWRRf8 > Much of the furry community sees fursonas as a sexual choice. No, this is a myth that a lot of people outside our community believe. If you have a fursona, that's supposed to be a representation of you. Fursonas are about identity. It can also be about one's queerness (which is probably fair to say in general, considering 80% of the fandom is LGBTQIA+), but being queer doesn't mean "being sexual". https://furscience.com/research-findings/sex-relationships-pornography/5-1-orientation/ https://furscience.com/research-findings/sex-relationships-p... https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/2016/feb/04/furry-fandom-subculture-animal-costumes https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/2016/feb/04/furry-fandom... (Yes, there is a side to most fandoms that focused on adult entertainment, but that's not all of it.)
- filoleg 6y ago
  >> It's disqualifying because, in the case of furries, it started as a sexual fantasy. >I don't know where you heard that, but it's incorrect. Maybe that's technically incorrect, but you should check out how the early coverage of furry culture was presenting it as[0]. Here is an interesting excerpt: "Early portrayal of the furries in magazines such as Wired, Loaded, Vanity Fair, and the syndicated sex column "Savage Love" focused mainly on the sexual aspect of furry fandom." 0.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furry_fandom#Public_perception_and_media_coverage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furry_fandom#Public_perception...
jbob2000 6y ago
I think your documentary is biased, as it’s been made and hosted by a furry themselves. On the Wikipedia page about furry fandom, it says: > The furry fandom has its roots in the underground comix movement of the 1970s, a genre of comic books that depicts explicit content.[5] In 1976, a pair of cartoonists created the amateur press association Vootie, which was dedicated to animal-focused art. Many of its featured works contained adult themes, such as "Omaha" the Cat Dancer, which contained explicit sex. As well, it even has a section dedicated to sexuality, where it states: > In a different online survey, 33% of furry respondents answered that they have a "significant sexual interest in furry", another 46% stated they have a "minor sexual interest in furry", and the remaining 21% stated they have a "non-sexual interest in furry". Although you may not engage with it sexually, it very much has a sexual following. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furry_fandom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furry_fandom
- some_furry 6y ago
  > I think your documentary is biased, as it’s been made and hosted by a furry themselves. What do you consider an unbiased news source? CNN? https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/14/us/furries-culture/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/14/us/furries-culture/index.html Vice? https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/bjmq9d/how-the-furry-community-became-a-safe-space-for-youth https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/bjmq9d/how-the-furry-comm... https://video.vice.com/en_us/video/gothic-cocktails-with-tony-conigliaro/598e00537b705ef35444625e https://video.vice.com/en_us/video/gothic-cocktails-with-ton... Psychology Today? https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/animals-and-us/201707/what-s-the-deal-furries https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/animals-and-us/20170... Almost every expert who has seriously studied the furry community has come to the same consensus: The public imagination is wrong, often hilariously so.
  - coldtea 6y ago
    >Almost every expert who has seriously studied the furry community has come to the same consensus: The public imagination is wrong, often hilariously so. Almost any expert who dared say otherwise would expect a backslash, being called fascist or whatever, and probably cancellation. So there's that.
indrora 6y ago
The amount of... failure to understand what you're talking about is on the level of white people trying to explain native american cultures after watching half of Pocahontas while half asleep. Furries started as a sexual fantasy like The Colbert Report started as a serious news show. It didn't. The Colbert Report was intended to satirize news outlets like Fox, but art imitates life and you gotta talk about the real world at one point or another. Furries started as panels and room parties at science fiction cons and guess what, humans do this thing where art imitates life and is a reflection of of humanity at large. But, you seem to have made it a goal to intentionally not understand what you're talking about and argue in bad faith, looking for validation of your limited worldview. To counter your point: My boss actively suggests to people a wide mix of books on subjects, including [The Manga Guide to Cryptography](https://nostarch.com/mangacrypto https://nostarch.com/mangacrypto) and within my company it's not uncommon to see people making MLP references, references to anime and manga (including BNA, Aggretsuko, Hello Kitty, etc) and more. If you can't read an article for the contents & think critically about its construction and presentation, did you even go to college? Or did you fake your way through that degree? Or were you just not challenged through high school to think and that's where your 4.2 perfect GPA came from?
- throw_24537147 6y ago
  From the Site Guidelines: > Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, brigading, foreign agents and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, email hn@ycombinator.com and we'll look at the data. You may mean well with your comment, but the last paragraph is clearly not in spirit of the HN site guidelines.
- coldtea 6y ago
  >Furries started as a sexual fantasy like The Colbert Report started as a serious news show. It didn't. The Colbert Report was intended to satirize news outlets like Fox, but art imitates life and you gotta talk about the real world at one point or another. Furries started as panels and room parties at science fiction cons and guess what, humans do this thing where art imitates life and is a reflection of of humanity at large. I don't think many care. It's a pop-culture, one of the random interests people adopt to feel "different" in the 20th/21st century (I guess kind of like "occult circles" in the 19th century or similar). How would one feel about a 30-40 year old "goth"? Exactly. In the juvenile 21st century culture it might be considered an acceptable passtime for someone over 20-22, but in the end it's no better than being a "goth", a "biker", a "raver", a "b-boy", a "trekie", a "new ager" or similar cringe-worthy identities people cling on to find a community in the absense of a real community of people. Real community being the variety that focuses on the actual character, personality, work, and behavior -- not on people having some niche affiliation/interest in order to be included.

some_furry 6y ago

> It's disqualifying because, in the case of furries, it started as a sexual fantasy. I don't know where you heard that, but it's incorrect. There's a documentary that delves into the history of the furry fandom: https://youtu.be/c2N1sFWRRf8 https://youtu.be/c2N1sFWRRf8 > Much of the furry community sees fursonas as a sexual choice. No, this is a myth that a lot of people outside our community believe. If you have a fursona, that's supposed to be a representation of you. Fursonas are about identity. It can also be about one's queerness (which is probably fair to say in general, considering 80% of the fandom is LGBTQIA+), but being queer doesn't mean "being sexual". https://furscience.com/research-findings/sex-relationships-pornography/5-1-orientation/ https://furscience.com/research-findings/sex-relationships-p... https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/2016/feb/04/furry-fandom-subculture-animal-costumes https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/2016/feb/04/furry-fandom... (Yes, there is a side to most fandoms that focused on adult entertainment, but that's not all of it.)

filoleg 6y ago
>> It's disqualifying because, in the case of furries, it started as a sexual fantasy. >I don't know where you heard that, but it's incorrect. Maybe that's technically incorrect, but you should check out how the early coverage of furry culture was presenting it as[0]. Here is an interesting excerpt: "Early portrayal of the furries in magazines such as Wired, Loaded, Vanity Fair, and the syndicated sex column "Savage Love" focused mainly on the sexual aspect of furry fandom." 0.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furry_fandom#Public_perception_and_media_coverage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furry_fandom#Public_perception...

jbob2000 6y ago

I think your documentary is biased, as it’s been made and hosted by a furry themselves. On the Wikipedia page about furry fandom, it says: > The furry fandom has its roots in the underground comix movement of the 1970s, a genre of comic books that depicts explicit content.[5] In 1976, a pair of cartoonists created the amateur press association Vootie, which was dedicated to animal-focused art. Many of its featured works contained adult themes, such as "Omaha" the Cat Dancer, which contained explicit sex. As well, it even has a section dedicated to sexuality, where it states: > In a different online survey, 33% of furry respondents answered that they have a "significant sexual interest in furry", another 46% stated they have a "minor sexual interest in furry", and the remaining 21% stated they have a "non-sexual interest in furry". Although you may not engage with it sexually, it very much has a sexual following. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furry_fandom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furry_fandom

some_furry 6y ago
> I think your documentary is biased, as it’s been made and hosted by a furry themselves. What do you consider an unbiased news source? CNN? https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/14/us/furries-culture/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/14/us/furries-culture/index.html Vice? https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/bjmq9d/how-the-furry-community-became-a-safe-space-for-youth https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/bjmq9d/how-the-furry-comm... https://video.vice.com/en_us/video/gothic-cocktails-with-tony-conigliaro/598e00537b705ef35444625e https://video.vice.com/en_us/video/gothic-cocktails-with-ton... Psychology Today? https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/animals-and-us/201707/what-s-the-deal-furries https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/animals-and-us/20170... Almost every expert who has seriously studied the furry community has come to the same consensus: The public imagination is wrong, often hilariously so.
- coldtea 6y ago
  >Almost every expert who has seriously studied the furry community has come to the same consensus: The public imagination is wrong, often hilariously so. Almost any expert who dared say otherwise would expect a backslash, being called fascist or whatever, and probably cancellation. So there's that.

indrora 6y ago

The amount of... failure to understand what you're talking about is on the level of white people trying to explain native american cultures after watching half of Pocahontas while half asleep. Furries started as a sexual fantasy like The Colbert Report started as a serious news show. It didn't. The Colbert Report was intended to satirize news outlets like Fox, but art imitates life and you gotta talk about the real world at one point or another. Furries started as panels and room parties at science fiction cons and guess what, humans do this thing where art imitates life and is a reflection of of humanity at large. But, you seem to have made it a goal to intentionally not understand what you're talking about and argue in bad faith, looking for validation of your limited worldview. To counter your point: My boss actively suggests to people a wide mix of books on subjects, including [The Manga Guide to Cryptography](https://nostarch.com/mangacrypto https://nostarch.com/mangacrypto) and within my company it's not uncommon to see people making MLP references, references to anime and manga (including BNA, Aggretsuko, Hello Kitty, etc) and more. If you can't read an article for the contents & think critically about its construction and presentation, did you even go to college? Or did you fake your way through that degree? Or were you just not challenged through high school to think and that's where your 4.2 perfect GPA came from?

throw_24537147 6y ago
From the Site Guidelines: > Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, brigading, foreign agents and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, email hn@ycombinator.com and we'll look at the data. You may mean well with your comment, but the last paragraph is clearly not in spirit of the HN site guidelines.
coldtea 6y ago
>Furries started as a sexual fantasy like The Colbert Report started as a serious news show. It didn't. The Colbert Report was intended to satirize news outlets like Fox, but art imitates life and you gotta talk about the real world at one point or another. Furries started as panels and room parties at science fiction cons and guess what, humans do this thing where art imitates life and is a reflection of of humanity at large. I don't think many care. It's a pop-culture, one of the random interests people adopt to feel "different" in the 20th/21st century (I guess kind of like "occult circles" in the 19th century or similar). How would one feel about a 30-40 year old "goth"? Exactly. In the juvenile 21st century culture it might be considered an acceptable passtime for someone over 20-22, but in the end it's no better than being a "goth", a "biker", a "raver", a "b-boy", a "trekie", a "new ager" or similar cringe-worthy identities people cling on to find a community in the absense of a real community of people. Real community being the variety that focuses on the actual character, personality, work, and behavior -- not on people having some niche affiliation/interest in order to be included.