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Then maybe he should handle Jai like he handles his games. Don't talk about it until it's almost ready to go.

by the_hoser 6y ago

adamnemecek 6y ago
Why do you care?
- the_hoser 6y ago
  Because of people bringing him up as some kind of established PL designer when talking about PL design. He's created almost a cult-like following around this semi-vaporous programming language, and almost none of the people talking about it have ever even used it.
ratww 6y ago
It's his hobby/passion project, I really don't understand your objection. You seem to have a problem with the fact he criticises other languages. Would you also treat someone who isn't currently designing a language with the same harshness if they also criticised a language the way Jonathan Blow does?
- the_hoser 6y ago
  If they're claiming to be a PL designer when doing so? Yeah, probably.
  - ratww 6y ago
    But he is designing a programming language. Even if it's all a fantasy or a Python script, like you claim, there's still a design. His opinions and views on PL design are still up to scrutiny, so it's not a glass house like you claim. PL design is not compiler writing. You're free to implement all his ideas and write a Jai compiler yourself if you need a proper compiler in your hands to properly criticise the language. And frankly, the only thing mentioned on this thread about "80% features" is not as controversial as you're making it. Nobody here is claiming it as revolutionary or game-changing, so even if you're right, your posts are a bit uncalled for.
WhyNott 6y ago
...Except that he did talk about all of his games almost from the get go? He showed earliest prototypes of Braid and Witness publicaly when the games were just blocky protypes, in the latter case good 7 years before the game came out. I don't know where you got this idea from, the way he is handling the development of the language seems to be pretty much an extension of how he develops his games.

Then maybe he should handle Jai like he handles his games. Don't talk about it until it's almost ready to go.

adamnemecek 6y ago

Why do you care?

the_hoser 6y ago
Because of people bringing him up as some kind of established PL designer when talking about PL design. He's created almost a cult-like following around this semi-vaporous programming language, and almost none of the people talking about it have ever even used it.

ratww 6y ago

It's his hobby/passion project, I really don't understand your objection. You seem to have a problem with the fact he criticises other languages. Would you also treat someone who isn't currently designing a language with the same harshness if they also criticised a language the way Jonathan Blow does?

the_hoser 6y ago
If they're claiming to be a PL designer when doing so? Yeah, probably.
- ratww 6y ago
  But he is designing a programming language. Even if it's all a fantasy or a Python script, like you claim, there's still a design. His opinions and views on PL design are still up to scrutiny, so it's not a glass house like you claim. PL design is not compiler writing. You're free to implement all his ideas and write a Jai compiler yourself if you need a proper compiler in your hands to properly criticise the language. And frankly, the only thing mentioned on this thread about "80% features" is not as controversial as you're making it. Nobody here is claiming it as revolutionary or game-changing, so even if you're right, your posts are a bit uncalled for.

WhyNott 6y ago

...Except that he did talk about all of his games almost from the get go? He showed earliest prototypes of Braid and Witness publicaly when the games were just blocky protypes, in the latter case good 7 years before the game came out. I don't know where you got this idea from, the way he is handling the development of the language seems to be pretty much an extension of how he develops his games.