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Well, a fresh graduate can get paid $100k in USA, but to get 70k Euros paid annually, as an experienced developer, you have to jump through hoops with HR and ma

Well, a fresh graduate can get paid $100k in USA, but to get 70k Euros paid annually, as an experienced developer, you have to jump through hoops with HR and management in Europe. Europe will continue to lose their talent to USA, as long as the pitiful salaries do not increase to an acceptable degree.

harryf 6y ago
> Europe will continue to lose their talent to USA, as long as the pitiful salaries do not increase to an acceptable degree. I'm not sure that's true - that Europe is losing talent to the US. COVID-19 has the US on blacklists for most of Europe. And before that Trump policies towards foreigners are not exactly encouraging to migrant workers. Meanwhile 70k Euros (82K USD) ignores that you're getting cheap, high quality healthcare, you don't have much student debt (or none at all e.g. Germany). Meanwhile Google, Facebook et al. have been opening engineering offices around Europe, presumably because it's hard to get talent over to the US / cheaper in Europe. > you have to jump through hoops with HR and management in Europe What hoops are these?
- DenisM 6y ago
  > high quality healthcare In the life of a big-tech worker this is a rounding error.
  - yladiz 6y ago
    What if you don’t work at a “big tech” company?
chewingeyesclub 6y ago
Honestly I wonder why there is no brain drain from the US to other parts of the world. Why would anyone want to live in that hellhole.
joelbluminator 6y ago
> Europe will continue to lose their talent to USA, as long as the pitiful salaries do not increase to an acceptable degree. Do you have any numbers to support that claim ? Afaik h1b visa is only given to 150K people a year, sizeable proportion of them are people from Asia. Even if European developers really wanted to move to the U.S it doesn't seem that easy for them to make the move.
justinclift 6y ago
> Europe will continue to lose their talent to USA Might become Canada rather than USA. Better quality of life there, and doesn't seem to have the "treat foreigners like a*holes" mentality. Also, the US losing talent to Canada for the same reasons.

harryf 6y ago

> Europe will continue to lose their talent to USA, as long as the pitiful salaries do not increase to an acceptable degree. I'm not sure that's true - that Europe is losing talent to the US. COVID-19 has the US on blacklists for most of Europe. And before that Trump policies towards foreigners are not exactly encouraging to migrant workers. Meanwhile 70k Euros (82K USD) ignores that you're getting cheap, high quality healthcare, you don't have much student debt (or none at all e.g. Germany). Meanwhile Google, Facebook et al. have been opening engineering offices around Europe, presumably because it's hard to get talent over to the US / cheaper in Europe. > you have to jump through hoops with HR and management in Europe What hoops are these?

DenisM 6y ago
> high quality healthcare In the life of a big-tech worker this is a rounding error.
- yladiz 6y ago
  What if you don’t work at a “big tech” company?

chewingeyesclub 6y ago

Honestly I wonder why there is no brain drain from the US to other parts of the world. Why would anyone want to live in that hellhole.

joelbluminator 6y ago

> Europe will continue to lose their talent to USA, as long as the pitiful salaries do not increase to an acceptable degree. Do you have any numbers to support that claim ? Afaik h1b visa is only given to 150K people a year, sizeable proportion of them are people from Asia. Even if European developers really wanted to move to the U.S it doesn't seem that easy for them to make the move.

justinclift 6y ago

> Europe will continue to lose their talent to USA Might become Canada rather than USA. Better quality of life there, and doesn't seem to have the "treat foreigners like a*holes" mentality. Also, the US losing talent to Canada for the same reasons.