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> They should, since it concerns a matter of international politics and, indirectly / by extension, whether the US committed war crimes and if they're going to
by LegitShady 6y ago
> They should, since it concerns a matter of international politics and, indirectly / by extension, whether the US committed war crimes and if they're going to string up the whistleblower that exposed it.
Amnesty International is just an NGO. They get a lot of press but they have no standing in law, "whether the US committed war crimes" or not.
Which other NGOs should be empowered to have legal standings in other people's court cases? Which others should the government be forced to listen to?
seems like a disaster of an idea.
- njharman 6y agoI'm pretty positive that the "they should" was in reply to > whether the general public should have greater access. Not that AI should have special legal standing.
- LegitShady 6y agoExcept the whole thing is about AI requesting special status as fair trial monitors and getting told no, so not really.
- gpm 6y agoI don't think that's a fair characterization. AI is requesting access as trial monitors, special or not. Something they are entitled to under law and the principles of a open justice system because access is something everyone is entitled to. To dismiss this as arguing for "special status" is to make the argument that you aren't allowed to argue for your own rights unless you also spend the time, energy, and money to argue for everyone else's. For example that an author couldn't sue the government for blocking the publishing of their book unless they also sued the government for blocking the publishing of every other blocked authors book. Not only is that not a duty they have, it's not even clear that they would have standing to do so.
- ggrrhh_ta 6y agoAlso, if coverage were broad and the principles of open justice were respected, thus providing ample records on what looks like an important trial touching aspects of freedom of the press and the disclosure of war crimes, then AI would not be as interested in seeking to monitor it.
- mlthoughts2018 6y agoIt’s also an extremely well established legal standard for important humanitarian trials, covering many decades across every developed nation on the planet. Saying anything like “oh Amnesty International is just some NGO to be treated same as the general public so who cares” is completely unrealistic and just fails to be relevant in any way.
- mlthoughts2018 6y agoNo it’s about their remote access being revoked after it was approved. The special expert observer is status denial is a separate other issue.