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Paradox isn’t exactly an indie

masklinn 6y ago
Yeah Paradox is a publisher so there are indie paradox games (e.g. cities skyline) but CKIII is from one of their internal studios so… not indie.
- hundchenkatze 6y ago
  What does it mean to be an indie game developer? If you're releasing with the help of a publisher you're no longer independent.
  - masklinn 6y ago
    > If you're releasing with the help of a publisher you're no longer independent. Dear diary, I was today years old when I learned that Stardew Valley is not an indie game. > What does it mean to be an indie game developer? There's no hard-and-fast rule, but generally speaking it means the devs are not subordinate to the publisher. There are games for which the publisher contracts a studio, therefore the publisher decides and has the last word, these are not indies. There are others where the publisher provides funding and / or assistance (e.g. managing distribution channels), but doesn't take much or any active part in the development process. These are generally considered indie games. There are also games which are entirely self-published. These are also, obviously, indie games. Super Meat Boy, Shovel Knight, or The Witness are self-published indie games. Fez[0], Stardew, or Bastion are not (published respectively by Trapdoor, Chucklefish, and Warner). Hell, World of Goo ultimately self-published because they didn't manage to convince a publisher, would that have made them "not indie"? [0] literally one of the subjects of Indie Game: The Movie
    - hundchenkatze 6y ago
      > Dear diary, I was today years old when I learned that Stardew Valley is not an indie game. The snark was unnecessary... Thanks for the rest though.
    - supuun 6y ago
      Since couple of years ago, Stardew valley at least on pc is self-published
      - masklinn 6y ago
        The person I replied to stated that releasing a game with the help of a publisher means you’re not indie. Therefore my publication concerns were the terms at release.
- yxhuvud 6y ago
  On the other hand Paradox publishing parts grew out of distributing their own games using IP that they have developed themselves all the way back from the late 90s.
bstar77 6y ago
I was initially saying I'm done with AAA... I know Paradox Studios isn't exactly indie, but these games are not $100m+ affairs and are relatively niche titles.

Yeah Paradox is a publisher so there are indie paradox games (e.g. cities skyline) but CKIII is from one of their internal studios so… not indie.

hundchenkatze 6y ago
What does it mean to be an indie game developer? If you're releasing with the help of a publisher you're no longer independent.
- masklinn 6y ago
  > If you're releasing with the help of a publisher you're no longer independent. Dear diary, I was today years old when I learned that Stardew Valley is not an indie game. > What does it mean to be an indie game developer? There's no hard-and-fast rule, but generally speaking it means the devs are not subordinate to the publisher. There are games for which the publisher contracts a studio, therefore the publisher decides and has the last word, these are not indies. There are others where the publisher provides funding and / or assistance (e.g. managing distribution channels), but doesn't take much or any active part in the development process. These are generally considered indie games. There are also games which are entirely self-published. These are also, obviously, indie games. Super Meat Boy, Shovel Knight, or The Witness are self-published indie games. Fez[0], Stardew, or Bastion are not (published respectively by Trapdoor, Chucklefish, and Warner). Hell, World of Goo ultimately self-published because they didn't manage to convince a publisher, would that have made them "not indie"? [0] literally one of the subjects of Indie Game: The Movie
  - hundchenkatze 6y ago
    > Dear diary, I was today years old when I learned that Stardew Valley is not an indie game. The snark was unnecessary... Thanks for the rest though.
  - supuun 6y ago
    Since couple of years ago, Stardew valley at least on pc is self-published
    - masklinn 6y ago
      The person I replied to stated that releasing a game with the help of a publisher means you’re not indie. Therefore my publication concerns were the terms at release.
yxhuvud 6y ago
On the other hand Paradox publishing parts grew out of distributing their own games using IP that they have developed themselves all the way back from the late 90s.

bstar77 6y ago

I was initially saying I'm done with AAA... I know Paradox Studios isn't exactly indie, but these games are not $100m+ affairs and are relatively niche titles.