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Nintendo isn't really helpful to understand the greater market. Most developers don't work with them, and their customers represent a tiny less "gaming educate

Nintendo isn't really helpful to understand the greater market. Most developers don't work with them, and their customers represent a tiny less "gaming educated" population. It's like using cellphone games as a gauge on the greater market.

the_hoser 6y ago
That's silly gatekeeping bullshit. By the numbers, mobile gaming is the greater market. It's traditional gaming that's becoming the niche.
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pjmlp 6y ago
If you so wish, https://developer.android.com/games/develop/build-in-unity https://developer.android.com/games/develop/build-in-unity https://developers.google.com/ar/develop/unity/quickstart-android https://developers.google.com/ar/develop/unity/quickstart-an... https://stadia.dev/blog/unity-production-ready-support-for-stadia-now-available/ https://stadia.dev/blog/unity-production-ready-support-for-s... https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/mixed-reality/develop/unity/unity-development-overview?tabs=mrtk%2Carr%2Chl2 https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/mixed-reality/devel... Is it mobile enough?
santoshalper 6y ago
That's some impressive mental gymnastics to try to redefine a market to be more like one you want it to be. Here's a tip: Markets are defined by demand, not supply.
echelon 6y ago
> Most developers don't work with them, and their customers represent a tiny less "gaming educated" population. That's a bit insulting. Mario and Zelda are a few of the consistently best game franchises. Smash Bros gamers aren't "uneducated" > It's like using cellphone games as a gauge on the greater market. The mobile game market is bigger than the console and PC market.
- sleepybrett 6y ago
  The switch is also a huge market for indie devs now. Just a crazy amount of indie games in the switch market. Hell one company, Brace Yourself Games, leveraged their game 'Crypt of the Necrodancer' into a connected zelda licensed game called 'Cadence of Hyrule' that just won some awards. The whole 'Nintendo is a thing unto itself' narrative is fading quickly.
  - filoleg 6y ago
    >The whole 'Nintendo is a thing unto itself' narrative is fading quickly. I fully agree with you, but that narrative has started changing only in recent times. Not that long ago, I would have mostly agreed with the premise that "Nintendo is a thing unto itself." If my memory serves right, Nintendo was dipping feet into it since at least GameCube/Wii era, but only with Switch they started seriously being, in my eyes, a not "unto itself" kind of an entity.
  - Noos 6y ago
    It still is, though. I mean, a part of the reason why indie titles work there is that Nintendo is refusing to offer a AAA gamepass, is using underpowered hardware and is charging a price premium for it. They very much are resisting trends and are their own thing, and it's kind of hard to really use them as a long term market barometer because it can and will backfire as often as it works. They also kind of are in uncharted waters too. This is now the first time I think they don't have a dedicated handheld and home console, and just have one platform. A lot of why they were able to survive mistakes was having the handheld market as an evergreen to fall back on.

the_hoser 6y ago

That's silly gatekeeping bullshit. By the numbers, mobile gaming is the greater market. It's traditional gaming that's becoming the niche.

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pjmlp 6y ago

If you so wish, https://developer.android.com/games/develop/build-in-unity https://developer.android.com/games/develop/build-in-unity https://developers.google.com/ar/develop/unity/quickstart-android https://developers.google.com/ar/develop/unity/quickstart-an... https://stadia.dev/blog/unity-production-ready-support-for-stadia-now-available/ https://stadia.dev/blog/unity-production-ready-support-for-s... https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/mixed-reality/develop/unity/unity-development-overview?tabs=mrtk%2Carr%2Chl2 https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/mixed-reality/devel... Is it mobile enough?

santoshalper 6y ago

That's some impressive mental gymnastics to try to redefine a market to be more like one you want it to be. Here's a tip: Markets are defined by demand, not supply.

echelon 6y ago

> Most developers don't work with them, and their customers represent a tiny less "gaming educated" population. That's a bit insulting. Mario and Zelda are a few of the consistently best game franchises. Smash Bros gamers aren't "uneducated" > It's like using cellphone games as a gauge on the greater market. The mobile game market is bigger than the console and PC market.

sleepybrett 6y ago
The switch is also a huge market for indie devs now. Just a crazy amount of indie games in the switch market. Hell one company, Brace Yourself Games, leveraged their game 'Crypt of the Necrodancer' into a connected zelda licensed game called 'Cadence of Hyrule' that just won some awards. The whole 'Nintendo is a thing unto itself' narrative is fading quickly.
- filoleg 6y ago
  >The whole 'Nintendo is a thing unto itself' narrative is fading quickly. I fully agree with you, but that narrative has started changing only in recent times. Not that long ago, I would have mostly agreed with the premise that "Nintendo is a thing unto itself." If my memory serves right, Nintendo was dipping feet into it since at least GameCube/Wii era, but only with Switch they started seriously being, in my eyes, a not "unto itself" kind of an entity.
- Noos 6y ago
  It still is, though. I mean, a part of the reason why indie titles work there is that Nintendo is refusing to offer a AAA gamepass, is using underpowered hardware and is charging a price premium for it. They very much are resisting trends and are their own thing, and it's kind of hard to really use them as a long term market barometer because it can and will backfire as often as it works. They also kind of are in uncharted waters too. This is now the first time I think they don't have a dedicated handheld and home console, and just have one platform. A lot of why they were able to survive mistakes was having the handheld market as an evergreen to fall back on.