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They've determined that the risk of quarantine scales with the quantity of people going through it. Given the entirety of the current outbreak has been traced

by fowl2 6y ago

They've determined that the risk of quarantine scales with the quantity of people going through it. Given the entirety of the current outbreak has been traced back to quarantine failures, this is somewhat understandable.

donavanm 6y ago
Im in Sydney. During the peak in Q1-Q2 ~60% of infections were travelers arriving from overseas. We're currently at 3-10 infections per day, with about 50-75% of those continuing to be overseas travelers. As you noted both quarantine and testing is imperfect. I have no desire to open the doors and have a repeat of Iceland or Victoria writ large. Yes, I'm disappointed at not seeing overseas friends and family for (at least) the next year or two. But that seems like a relatively small price to pay for the relative quiet, healthy, functioning society here.
- piceas 6y ago
  As long as my family are able to stay healthy sure. Possibly having wait until critical illness or death before I am able to visit and help with an exemption on compassionate grounds does not reflect a healthy and functioning society in my opinion. It might be quiet though.
  - donavanm 6y ago
    Im over here looking at states where I have family and your same dilemma. I suspect it's relative in these times, but Im thankful I ended up on this side of the pond.
  - TomSwirly 6y ago
    Yes, this is the libertarian viewpoint. In the rest of the world, we think that in a healthy society, we as individuals sometimes have to sacrifice for the greater good of everyone. In the United States, self-sacrifice is only good if you die killing others in the "service" of your country. The rest of us see ideas like quarantine not as the sign of a unhealthy and dysfunctional society but proof that we can work together to beat even a fearsome, non-human enemy like a pandemic. And now these two contrasting ideas are being tested by COVID-19. We'll see in the end whose idea works better - your individualistic views, or our cooperative ones.
chinathrow 6y ago
What current outbreak are you referring to? E.g. there is no outbreak in that sense e.g. in Western Australia (Perth).

by fowl2 6y ago

donavanm 6y ago

Im in Sydney. During the peak in Q1-Q2 ~60% of infections were travelers arriving from overseas. We're currently at 3-10 infections per day, with about 50-75% of those continuing to be overseas travelers. As you noted both quarantine and testing is imperfect. I have no desire to open the doors and have a repeat of Iceland or Victoria writ large. Yes, I'm disappointed at not seeing overseas friends and family for (at least) the next year or two. But that seems like a relatively small price to pay for the relative quiet, healthy, functioning society here.

piceas 6y ago
As long as my family are able to stay healthy sure. Possibly having wait until critical illness or death before I am able to visit and help with an exemption on compassionate grounds does not reflect a healthy and functioning society in my opinion. It might be quiet though.
- donavanm 6y ago
  Im over here looking at states where I have family and your same dilemma. I suspect it's relative in these times, but Im thankful I ended up on this side of the pond.
- TomSwirly 6y ago
  Yes, this is the libertarian viewpoint. In the rest of the world, we think that in a healthy society, we as individuals sometimes have to sacrifice for the greater good of everyone. In the United States, self-sacrifice is only good if you die killing others in the "service" of your country. The rest of us see ideas like quarantine not as the sign of a unhealthy and dysfunctional society but proof that we can work together to beat even a fearsome, non-human enemy like a pandemic. And now these two contrasting ideas are being tested by COVID-19. We'll see in the end whose idea works better - your individualistic views, or our cooperative ones.

chinathrow 6y ago

What current outbreak are you referring to? E.g. there is no outbreak in that sense e.g. in Western Australia (Perth).