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The fb app would have to become a bit more distributed. I believe there is a "social protocol" (i.e activity pub) already though I didn't check the details. Ju

The fb app would have to become a bit more distributed. I believe there is a "social protocol" (i.e activity pub) already though I didn't check the details. Just as we have distributed email,chat services, search engines etc we can also have a distributed facebook. Perhaps the client app will also become smarter. I believe you could actually move a lot of data on the client if you really want but the truth is facebook wants the data in one place, on their servers for the ads/resale.

dogma1138 6y ago
It doesn’t solve the problem that Facebook faces, especially under the existing definition of data processing and data access. Companies may not only have to pull out of the EU market but actively block EU customers like plethora of publishers that decided that GDPR compliance wasn’t worth the cost.
- thefounder 6y ago
  >> It doesn’t solve the problem that Facebook faces, especially under the existing definition of data processing and data access. I don't know what problems Facebook is facing and maybe I'm missing something but I'm sure there is a technical solution to provide a facebook app/experience to EU customers. Maybe they would not be allowed to sell data like they did in the past but that will only make it slightly less profitable not un-operable.
  - dogma1138 6y ago
    This isn't about selling data, this is about transferring data outside of the EU, this means for example if you have a user profile for a US user on a US server it cannot have any listings of EU users as friends under that profile. If an EU user sends the US user a message it cannot leave the EU. To claim that this is about monetization is laughable, this ruling doesn't prevent monetization it just prevents data flowing out of the EU. The issues raised in this thread are serious, and people ignoring them thinking that this has anything to do about real privacy or curbing down on targeted ads. You could run Facebook in the EU with GDPR and all the compliance issue and be able to monetize the data just as easily as you could in the US (you might not make as much money since EU users are still worth less for some reason to ad buyers but that's not the point), this is a disruptive measure intended to break the US monopoly on much of the tech industry, and it goes beyond just social media. This pretty much breaks any data driven business model you have into two distinct ones, and if your EU and US datasets are too small individually when then though luck.
    - thefounder 6y ago
      >> If an EU user sends the US user a message it cannot leave the EU. I think you got this wrong. That's how mail, email, chat, phone calls and pretty much all the "standard" communication services are working. The message can surely leave the EU. It's user's data (i.e profile info) that shouldn't leave the EU. >> To claim that this is about monetization is laughable, this ruling doesn't prevent monetization it just prevents data flowing out of the EU. This is about data protection which includes privacy rules among other things. Nothing stops US corporation from operating datacenters in the EU. They developed datacenters in the EU before all this anyway. The "issue" is that the data stored within the EU is subject to EU law so legally the foreign corporations cannot share/resell the data with 3rd parties(e.g adv publishers, gov agencies such NSA etc) in a way that breaks EU law. The EU just tries(nicely) to tighten the screw a bit... just look at the US-China-Tick-Tock-Oracle saga. Governments want exclusive access/ownership/control of theier citiens's data for obvious reasons. >> This pretty much breaks any data driven business model you have into two distinct ones, and if your EU and US datasets are too small individually when then though luck. How could EU and US dataset be too small individually? Too small for an inter-planetary marketplace? Here on earth they are quite big and valuable if not the most valuable. If your concern is user's privacy/data protection you shouldn't be worried. You will try to store less data on your servers and give more power/ownership to the user anyway. In the end the data should be owned by the users.
      - bryan_w 6y ago
        > It's user's data (i.e profile info) that shouldn't leave the EU If profile info can't leave the EU, then how will I know whom the message is from? Also isn't message data user data?

dogma1138 6y ago

It doesn’t solve the problem that Facebook faces, especially under the existing definition of data processing and data access. Companies may not only have to pull out of the EU market but actively block EU customers like plethora of publishers that decided that GDPR compliance wasn’t worth the cost.

thefounder 6y ago
>> It doesn’t solve the problem that Facebook faces, especially under the existing definition of data processing and data access. I don't know what problems Facebook is facing and maybe I'm missing something but I'm sure there is a technical solution to provide a facebook app/experience to EU customers. Maybe they would not be allowed to sell data like they did in the past but that will only make it slightly less profitable not un-operable.
- dogma1138 6y ago
  This isn't about selling data, this is about transferring data outside of the EU, this means for example if you have a user profile for a US user on a US server it cannot have any listings of EU users as friends under that profile. If an EU user sends the US user a message it cannot leave the EU. To claim that this is about monetization is laughable, this ruling doesn't prevent monetization it just prevents data flowing out of the EU. The issues raised in this thread are serious, and people ignoring them thinking that this has anything to do about real privacy or curbing down on targeted ads. You could run Facebook in the EU with GDPR and all the compliance issue and be able to monetize the data just as easily as you could in the US (you might not make as much money since EU users are still worth less for some reason to ad buyers but that's not the point), this is a disruptive measure intended to break the US monopoly on much of the tech industry, and it goes beyond just social media. This pretty much breaks any data driven business model you have into two distinct ones, and if your EU and US datasets are too small individually when then though luck.
  - thefounder 6y ago
    >> If an EU user sends the US user a message it cannot leave the EU. I think you got this wrong. That's how mail, email, chat, phone calls and pretty much all the "standard" communication services are working. The message can surely leave the EU. It's user's data (i.e profile info) that shouldn't leave the EU. >> To claim that this is about monetization is laughable, this ruling doesn't prevent monetization it just prevents data flowing out of the EU. This is about data protection which includes privacy rules among other things. Nothing stops US corporation from operating datacenters in the EU. They developed datacenters in the EU before all this anyway. The "issue" is that the data stored within the EU is subject to EU law so legally the foreign corporations cannot share/resell the data with 3rd parties(e.g adv publishers, gov agencies such NSA etc) in a way that breaks EU law. The EU just tries(nicely) to tighten the screw a bit... just look at the US-China-Tick-Tock-Oracle saga. Governments want exclusive access/ownership/control of theier citiens's data for obvious reasons. >> This pretty much breaks any data driven business model you have into two distinct ones, and if your EU and US datasets are too small individually when then though luck. How could EU and US dataset be too small individually? Too small for an inter-planetary marketplace? Here on earth they are quite big and valuable if not the most valuable. If your concern is user's privacy/data protection you shouldn't be worried. You will try to store less data on your servers and give more power/ownership to the user anyway. In the end the data should be owned by the users.
    - bryan_w 6y ago
      > It's user's data (i.e profile info) that shouldn't leave the EU If profile info can't leave the EU, then how will I know whom the message is from? Also isn't message data user data?