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Brand Names

22 points by ad31mar 6y ago

footballnate29 6y ago
This is brilliant! HIGHLY recommend reading the full article for those interested as well.
srays2019 6y ago
Definitely reading this for branding my next startup. Great content. Just requested the PDF copy.
seanwilson 6y ago
Do they address anywhere about how your company size, existing user base or marketing budget has an influence? I feel if you're launching something solo without an existing user base and little budget, you should probably side with a descriptive name or maybe associative name (as they're called in the article) over anything clever. If you're Apple or Google, you could pick any name you want and people are still going to talk about it + try to understand what it is. If you're solo and hoping to grow from organic marketing and word of mouth though, I think it's a big missed opportunity to pick a name that doesn't somewhat describe the product. For example, you can pretty accurately guess what "hackernews" is over "slashdot". A mention of hackernews seen on a webpage is then more likely to get clicked or Googled for because you're not forcing the user to spend more time figuring out what it is, especially when the name appears with little context e.g. "I saw it on hackernews yesterday". Edit: I'm not talking about SEO here. I'm talking about when your app name is seen on a web page or mentioned in an online forum, and if a descriptive name has an advantage here.
- Uberphallus 6y ago
  Arguably, Google shouldn't need any SEO ;) so any SEO related arguments for naming a product go out of the window for them.
  - seanwilson 6y ago
    > Arguably, Google shouldn't need any SEO ;) Why? SEO is really about making stuff easy for a computer + users to understand. A descriptive name is sure to have SEO benefits though, but I was more talking from user understanding when they see the name without much context.
    - ekpyrotic 6y ago
      Because the goal of SEO is to be found on Google. If someone is searching on Google, they are already aware of it.
      - deleted 6y ago
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- systemvoltage 6y ago
  That’s not how companies are born. The brand name is not chosen at the beginning but it’s built over time. I guarantee you, if Apple was called Orange, it wouldn’t be any different. It’s the same with logos. As far as you stay away from obvious infractions such as phallic or derogatory names, you’re good to go. Spend time adding meaning and goodwill to the brand name instead of the other way around. Build a great company and focus on that. Apple is such a generic name but it survives the SEO and a bunch of other no-no’s in most branding guides. We’ve got enough advice on brand names. There is an article or two on HN and it’s frankly not that interesting or valuable.
outadoc 6y ago
The business goals matrix feels weird in some places; is a deviant name really more SEO-friendly than a descriptive name? Why wouldn't an associative name be trademarkable?

Brand Names

22 points by ad31mar 6y ago

footballnate29 6y ago

This is brilliant! HIGHLY recommend reading the full article for those interested as well.

srays2019 6y ago

Definitely reading this for branding my next startup. Great content. Just requested the PDF copy.

seanwilson 6y ago

Do they address anywhere about how your company size, existing user base or marketing budget has an influence? I feel if you're launching something solo without an existing user base and little budget, you should probably side with a descriptive name or maybe associative name (as they're called in the article) over anything clever. If you're Apple or Google, you could pick any name you want and people are still going to talk about it + try to understand what it is. If you're solo and hoping to grow from organic marketing and word of mouth though, I think it's a big missed opportunity to pick a name that doesn't somewhat describe the product. For example, you can pretty accurately guess what "hackernews" is over "slashdot". A mention of hackernews seen on a webpage is then more likely to get clicked or Googled for because you're not forcing the user to spend more time figuring out what it is, especially when the name appears with little context e.g. "I saw it on hackernews yesterday". Edit: I'm not talking about SEO here. I'm talking about when your app name is seen on a web page or mentioned in an online forum, and if a descriptive name has an advantage here.

Uberphallus 6y ago
Arguably, Google shouldn't need any SEO ;) so any SEO related arguments for naming a product go out of the window for them.
- seanwilson 6y ago
  > Arguably, Google shouldn't need any SEO ;) Why? SEO is really about making stuff easy for a computer + users to understand. A descriptive name is sure to have SEO benefits though, but I was more talking from user understanding when they see the name without much context.
  - ekpyrotic 6y ago
    Because the goal of SEO is to be found on Google. If someone is searching on Google, they are already aware of it.
    - deleted 6y ago
      [deleted]
systemvoltage 6y ago
That’s not how companies are born. The brand name is not chosen at the beginning but it’s built over time. I guarantee you, if Apple was called Orange, it wouldn’t be any different. It’s the same with logos. As far as you stay away from obvious infractions such as phallic or derogatory names, you’re good to go. Spend time adding meaning and goodwill to the brand name instead of the other way around. Build a great company and focus on that. Apple is such a generic name but it survives the SEO and a bunch of other no-no’s in most branding guides. We’ve got enough advice on brand names. There is an article or two on HN and it’s frankly not that interesting or valuable.

outadoc 6y ago

The business goals matrix feels weird in some places; is a deviant name really more SEO-friendly than a descriptive name? Why wouldn't an associative name be trademarkable?