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I would agree with your statement if the right was proposing anything of substance in that regard.

by dgb23 6y ago

Udik 6y ago
Proposing anything of substance would mean having recognized at least in part the validity of the arguments coming from the opposite end of the political spectrum, with the risk of supporting the attached ideology. Which is hard to do. But anyway, here's what the right could propose: let's replace all our energy generation from non-renewable sources with nuclear power. Every single watt of it. I'm sure there would be no objections from that side. And on the left?
- pjc50 6y ago
  The left objections to nuclear power are rooted in weapons proliferation and concerns about fallout. The proven reactor designs all require uranium enrichment and produce plutonium. That's why Iran's reactor is hugely controversial. The designs that don't do this are either not proven or certainly not widely deployed.
  - Udik 6y ago
    This isn't true. I remember anti-nuclear movements in the 80s and they were rooted in the fear of radiations and nuclear accidents. "The China syndrome" was released in March 1979, a few days before the Three Mile Island accident. When Chernobyl happened of course the public opinion switched en-masse to the anti-nuclear side. The risk of nuclear proliferation was never a major concern- in fact several western NATO countries ended their nuclear power generation plans despite having zero concern with their nuclear waste ending up in the wrong hands.
goatinaboat 6y ago
I would agree with your statement if the right was proposing anything of substance in that regard. The right is proposing nuclear power and returning to more local supply chains therefore cutting the carbon emissions of the shipping industry. Seems pretty substantial to me.
- esarbe 6y ago
  I'm not convinced. I don't think that local supply chains are a hallmark of right-wing politics. Globalisation and the resulting world-spanning trade agreements were primarily driven by organisations like the WTO. Anti-Nuclear hysterics are not limited to the left and in German (as an example) de-nuclearisation was supported by both the Schroeder and the Merkle (center-left and center-right) governments. It's "renaissance" in the last decade or so has happened on both sides of the aisle.

I would agree with your statement if the right was proposing anything of substance in that regard.

by dgb23 6y ago

I would agree with your statement if the right was proposing anything of substance in that regard.

Udik 6y ago

Proposing anything of substance would mean having recognized at least in part the validity of the arguments coming from the opposite end of the political spectrum, with the risk of supporting the attached ideology. Which is hard to do. But anyway, here's what the right could propose: let's replace all our energy generation from non-renewable sources with nuclear power. Every single watt of it. I'm sure there would be no objections from that side. And on the left?

pjc50 6y ago
The left objections to nuclear power are rooted in weapons proliferation and concerns about fallout. The proven reactor designs all require uranium enrichment and produce plutonium. That's why Iran's reactor is hugely controversial. The designs that don't do this are either not proven or certainly not widely deployed.
- Udik 6y ago
  This isn't true. I remember anti-nuclear movements in the 80s and they were rooted in the fear of radiations and nuclear accidents. "The China syndrome" was released in March 1979, a few days before the Three Mile Island accident. When Chernobyl happened of course the public opinion switched en-masse to the anti-nuclear side. The risk of nuclear proliferation was never a major concern- in fact several western NATO countries ended their nuclear power generation plans despite having zero concern with their nuclear waste ending up in the wrong hands.

goatinaboat 6y ago

I would agree with your statement if the right was proposing anything of substance in that regard. The right is proposing nuclear power and returning to more local supply chains therefore cutting the carbon emissions of the shipping industry. Seems pretty substantial to me.

esarbe 6y ago
I'm not convinced. I don't think that local supply chains are a hallmark of right-wing politics. Globalisation and the resulting world-spanning trade agreements were primarily driven by organisations like the WTO. Anti-Nuclear hysterics are not limited to the left and in German (as an example) de-nuclearisation was supported by both the Schroeder and the Merkle (center-left and center-right) governments. It's "renaissance" in the last decade or so has happened on both sides of the aisle.