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I am not being glib, I am legitimately curious how many of the post-COVID symptoms could be somewhat psychosomatic. Imagine getting tested for COVID, you've ha

I am not being glib, I am legitimately curious how many of the post-COVID symptoms could be somewhat psychosomatic. Imagine getting tested for COVID, you've had it hammered in to your mind that this is a terrible disease that you are lucky to survive. You watched in Italy as the bodies piled up. You saw NYC and refrigerated trucks. But what you are feeling doesn't align with what you were told. You don't feel _that_ bad. It feels like a bad cold. You are still scared shitless. How does the brain adapt to this? Is it possible that there is an element of guilt (All these people died, but I am OK) or fear (I am still waiting for the other shoe to drop and to end up on a vent). Could the mental stress of this cause fatigue? I am sincerely asking someone who knows more about this than me to explain the chances that this is a phenomenon that exists and whether it can account for any of the long-hauler symptoms.

loopz 6y ago
Easy to say, hard to back up. There will always be people in genuine need of psychological help, even before infection. It's very unhelpful in cases where cognitive therapy does little to adress physical symptoms.
throwaway092120 6y ago
Throwaway so that I don't share my medical history publicly. In the past I had a share of symptoms that were psychosomatic, spent thousands of dollars on diagnostics that - in hindsight, unsurprisingly - came back fine. I lost more than 35 pounds during that period as my results were constantly juggled between gastroenterologists, neurologists, endocrinologists, pulmonologists, cardiologists and laryngologists. I had most of the symptoms that currently a lot of Covid survivors are describing. Some were disguised as viral infection (I felt like had cold but without the fever, dry coughs, weakness), some as food poisoning. Not even single one of the doctors, who I visited with binder full of medical results, suggested that those might be psychosomatic. I was kept on various different drugs which seemed to help, but only for short amount of time. It wasn't until my life fell apart (because of the external reasons) and I was put on the antidepressants when I noticed that all of that was psychosomatic - _everything_ went away. The aches, the coughs, the weakness. Now, years later, all of it is behind me and my quality of life improved dramatically. To this day, however, every single time I feel feverish, weak, have problems breathing or I have a random cough attack I wonder is that because something I caught or is it daily stress manifesting that way, and most often then not, the latter is the case. So I'm very skeptic about some of the long running symptoms, especially since psychical health is still a taboo and I've experience tens of specialists not being able to hit their mark on that.
- salmon30salmon 6y ago
  I appreciate your honesty on this and I am glad to hear you are doing better. The way our medical field is tipped so heavily towards treat symptoms and not causes is surprising to me. I watched the show "Afflicted" on Netflix, and it made me sad more than anything. (In my opinion) a majority of the afflicted were clearly suffering from psychological problems, but they were kept on very expensive drugs and the doctors were just throwing darts at a wall. I hope that mental health becomes less taboo, and more research into why mental health is declining is funded. Stay healthy and glad you are doing well.
coolgeek 6y ago
A good analogy for thinking about psychosomatically-induced symptoms or illness is as the inverse, or the reflection symmetry, of the placebo effect It's a factor. But it's a factor in a relatively small percentage of cases. It's what you look at when all of the "reasonable" answers come up dry

loopz 6y ago

Easy to say, hard to back up. There will always be people in genuine need of psychological help, even before infection. It's very unhelpful in cases where cognitive therapy does little to adress physical symptoms.

throwaway092120 6y ago

Throwaway so that I don't share my medical history publicly. In the past I had a share of symptoms that were psychosomatic, spent thousands of dollars on diagnostics that - in hindsight, unsurprisingly - came back fine. I lost more than 35 pounds during that period as my results were constantly juggled between gastroenterologists, neurologists, endocrinologists, pulmonologists, cardiologists and laryngologists. I had most of the symptoms that currently a lot of Covid survivors are describing. Some were disguised as viral infection (I felt like had cold but without the fever, dry coughs, weakness), some as food poisoning. Not even single one of the doctors, who I visited with binder full of medical results, suggested that those might be psychosomatic. I was kept on various different drugs which seemed to help, but only for short amount of time. It wasn't until my life fell apart (because of the external reasons) and I was put on the antidepressants when I noticed that all of that was psychosomatic - _everything_ went away. The aches, the coughs, the weakness. Now, years later, all of it is behind me and my quality of life improved dramatically. To this day, however, every single time I feel feverish, weak, have problems breathing or I have a random cough attack I wonder is that because something I caught or is it daily stress manifesting that way, and most often then not, the latter is the case. So I'm very skeptic about some of the long running symptoms, especially since psychical health is still a taboo and I've experience tens of specialists not being able to hit their mark on that.

salmon30salmon 6y ago
I appreciate your honesty on this and I am glad to hear you are doing better. The way our medical field is tipped so heavily towards treat symptoms and not causes is surprising to me. I watched the show "Afflicted" on Netflix, and it made me sad more than anything. (In my opinion) a majority of the afflicted were clearly suffering from psychological problems, but they were kept on very expensive drugs and the doctors were just throwing darts at a wall. I hope that mental health becomes less taboo, and more research into why mental health is declining is funded. Stay healthy and glad you are doing well.

coolgeek 6y ago

A good analogy for thinking about psychosomatically-induced symptoms or illness is as the inverse, or the reflection symmetry, of the placebo effect It's a factor. But it's a factor in a relatively small percentage of cases. It's what you look at when all of the "reasonable" answers come up dry