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So you agree with the topic title but not my particular example?

krapp 6y ago
Honestly, given the size and diversity of HN's userbase, I think the title is too broad to have any meaningful answer. I have to echo kkoncevicius' comment above - there are worthwhile political discussions to be had on HN, and those shouldn't be caegorically off topic, but this isn't one of them. And either way, this is a discussion forum, and what happens here is diversion, not action. If your goal is actual political change, then people should get out and vote, and get more involved in civics and local politics. Trump was elected because a fraction of eligible voters (itself a fraction of the total population) bothered to show up, and the solution to people like Trump is an educated and involved electorate who actually cares to hold politicians to a minimal standard.
- chrisco255 6y ago
  I'm a highly educated and highly intelligent Trump supporter. It's incredibly offensive and condescending that people assume that Trump supporters are ill-informed. The other candidate can barely piece together a sentence reading from a teleprompter. He's 25 years past his prime and he wasn't that great in his prime. I'll take continued peace in the middle east, pro American trade deals, law and order, first and second amendment rights. Over half the country leans conservative.
  - biolurker1 6y ago
    If you are highly intelligent you can get factual data that your president is lying actively and has lied and ditortd truth in thousands of cases. This has nothing to do with the other candidate. The argument suffices on its own. So it's either you are misinformed or your education and intelligence are somewhat relative or that you like Liars. These are the only three choices in this context.
    - chrisco255 6y ago
      I followed the three years of the so-called investigation that had to do with Trump's alleged links to Russia. That turned out to be a complete fraud perpetrated by the DNC and their cronies in the FBI and the CIA. Let that sink in. The DNC literally made up an accusation about a duly elected president, the Obama administration used that lie to conduct illegal spying activity on the president, and then worked up the whole nation about this lie for THREE YEARS. Then they wiped their phone records to cover their bullshit: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/sep/11/robert-mueller-probe-phones-staffers-wiped-clean-r/ https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/sep/11/robert-muel... There are few things more dangerous for democracy than using the police power of the government to go after your political opponents. That is corruption of the highest order. It's toxic, it's dangerous, and it will fucking destroy this country. And the number of people that are still completely ignorant of this travesty is astounding. Yet that's the world we live in. The media has devolved into a completely partisan shitshow. You're sadly misinformed by yellow journalism. I will continue to proudly support President Trump. I'm pro-peace, pro-2A, pro free speech, pro law and order, pro life, pro-energy, pro-prosperity, etc. I don't very much like crime and anarchy and ruin and corruption and cronyism. Looking at Democrat run debacles like Portland, Seattle, Chicago, and NYC, you really still think they deserve power? I don't think so. And neither does the sane half of the country. Biden has had 45 years in the highest offices in Washington. He was corrupt before he was senile.
      - biolurker1 6y ago
        But it's factual that Trump has make false statements thousands of times. Do you deny that? Also what does this have to do with Trump being undemocratic? P.S you forgot pro environnement since Trump abolished all treaties. Good luck to us.
        born_a_skeptic 6y ago
        Politicians lie, so get over it. Trump just isn't as good as the others because 1) he doesn't give a fuck and 2) they've had more practice. And honestly, I don't care if what he says isn’t accurate all the time. Nobody is accurate 100% of the time. I care that he is doing what is best for the United States and based on his track record, for the most part I think he is.

Honestly, given the size and diversity of HN's userbase, I think the title is too broad to have any meaningful answer. I have to echo kkoncevicius' comment above - there are worthwhile political discussions to be had on HN, and those shouldn't be caegorically off topic, but this isn't one of them. And either way, this is a discussion forum, and what happens here is diversion, not action. If your goal is actual political change, then people should get out and vote, and get more involved in civics and local politics. Trump was elected because a fraction of eligible voters (itself a fraction of the total population) bothered to show up, and the solution to people like Trump is an educated and involved electorate who actually cares to hold politicians to a minimal standard.

chrisco255 6y ago
I'm a highly educated and highly intelligent Trump supporter. It's incredibly offensive and condescending that people assume that Trump supporters are ill-informed. The other candidate can barely piece together a sentence reading from a teleprompter. He's 25 years past his prime and he wasn't that great in his prime. I'll take continued peace in the middle east, pro American trade deals, law and order, first and second amendment rights. Over half the country leans conservative.
- biolurker1 6y ago
  If you are highly intelligent you can get factual data that your president is lying actively and has lied and ditortd truth in thousands of cases. This has nothing to do with the other candidate. The argument suffices on its own. So it's either you are misinformed or your education and intelligence are somewhat relative or that you like Liars. These are the only three choices in this context.
  - chrisco255 6y ago
    I followed the three years of the so-called investigation that had to do with Trump's alleged links to Russia. That turned out to be a complete fraud perpetrated by the DNC and their cronies in the FBI and the CIA. Let that sink in. The DNC literally made up an accusation about a duly elected president, the Obama administration used that lie to conduct illegal spying activity on the president, and then worked up the whole nation about this lie for THREE YEARS. Then they wiped their phone records to cover their bullshit: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/sep/11/robert-mueller-probe-phones-staffers-wiped-clean-r/ https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/sep/11/robert-muel... There are few things more dangerous for democracy than using the police power of the government to go after your political opponents. That is corruption of the highest order. It's toxic, it's dangerous, and it will fucking destroy this country. And the number of people that are still completely ignorant of this travesty is astounding. Yet that's the world we live in. The media has devolved into a completely partisan shitshow. You're sadly misinformed by yellow journalism. I will continue to proudly support President Trump. I'm pro-peace, pro-2A, pro free speech, pro law and order, pro life, pro-energy, pro-prosperity, etc. I don't very much like crime and anarchy and ruin and corruption and cronyism. Looking at Democrat run debacles like Portland, Seattle, Chicago, and NYC, you really still think they deserve power? I don't think so. And neither does the sane half of the country. Biden has had 45 years in the highest offices in Washington. He was corrupt before he was senile.
    - biolurker1 6y ago
      But it's factual that Trump has make false statements thousands of times. Do you deny that? Also what does this have to do with Trump being undemocratic? P.S you forgot pro environnement since Trump abolished all treaties. Good luck to us.
      - born_a_skeptic 6y ago
        Politicians lie, so get over it. Trump just isn't as good as the others because 1) he doesn't give a fuck and 2) they've had more practice. And honestly, I don't care if what he says isn’t accurate all the time. Nobody is accurate 100% of the time. I care that he is doing what is best for the United States and based on his track record, for the most part I think he is.