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> and the other side doing pretty much all the can within the legal powers they have to improve the situation Except they aren't. There is a clear 'caste' syst

> and the other side doing pretty much all the can within the legal powers they have to improve the situation Except they aren't. There is a clear 'caste' system when it comes to the immigration Democrats care about. Their primary focus is on immigration across the Mexican border (a lot of which is often technically or borderline 'illegal') which they want to make as legitimized as possible as the Hispanic community is a massive votebank for them. So we have all this noise about DACA and the like. On the other hand, the overwhelming majority of legal H1B pool is largely an afterthought for them because the Indian and Chinese community in America is not that politically assertive, plus the H1B types can't vote anyway, and are mostly concentrated in places like California / Washington so their friends etc would anyway vote Democrat so who cares.

jdashg 6y ago
Democrats do not desire Hispanic immigration because they're likely to vote democrat. It's convenient but not all convenient things are causal. By and large Democrats prioritize the most disadvantaged first, and that's poor immigrants, many of whom happen to be coming across from Mexico.
- m0zg 6y ago
  > the most disadvantaged first How about prioritizing the most disadvantaged _US citizens_ first instead of kicking the stool from underneath them by importing cheap labor?
  - Gibbon1 6y ago
    My dad talks about helping Mexicans pick cotton on his grandfathers farm in Central California. One reason my dad tried to do well as he could in school. I'm less worried about Mexicans spilling over into California than I am about jobs being off shored to the far east. Clinton lost in 2016 because she and Bill Clinton are poster childs for NAFTA and letting China into the world trade organization.
    - m0zg 6y ago
      You should be worried about Mexicans. Even today a lot of CA schools are majority-Hispanic. If migration continues at the present rate, the United States will lose sovereignty by the end of the century at the latest. Read "Flashpoints" by George Friedman, he explains really well what's going to happen. 50-75 million foreign nationals in the country who can also vote in Mexican elections is not a good scenario to pursue in the long term, even if you want some tactical electoral gains. Globalists don't really give a shit, but you, with your very much localized wealth, should. Then there are also the working poor (and _especially_ black working poor) facing stiff wage competition from Mexicans willing to work without worker protections and for a lower wage than would be sustainable for an American. What are those people supposed to do? Live off welfare? Who will pay for the welfare? Me? Why?
TeaDrunk 6y ago
I actually don’t know if this is true. Everything you listed about chinese/Indians not voting or being engaged civically applies very broadly to the Hispanic vote also. Hispanic engagement is quite low, because of many immigrants cannot vote (same as Chinese/Indian), Because civic engagement isn’t common (again same) and language barriers. Additionally the idea that Hispanics are a democrat leaning population isn’t true. Many sub populations are staunchly religious (catholic) and would vote to overturn roe v wade same as evangelicals. Additionally, the focus on DACA and Hispanic immigration may be because of size: Indian and Chinese immigrants aren’t even 5% of the USA out together, while immigrants just from Mexico are a whopping 11% of the USA.
notxnphbk 6y ago
> the Indian and Chinese community in America is not that politically assertive No, but the mega-corps that hire a lot of them are. Very much. And usually lean more towards supporting Democratic politicians to ensure their labor pipeline is kept in place.
kaitai 6y ago
This is straight BS from my experience. My local Dems are spending time on the Temporary Protected Status groups, especially Liberians who've been here since the 1990s, Haitians who don't have a home to go back to, Nepalese. They've spent a lot of time on immigration from Asia and since we have a large Indian- and Pakistani-American community where I'm from that's been an issue my representatives have worked on. I feel like you have a pretty narrow view -- maybe you're from a place where that's true, but it's not true out here in the rest of America.

jdashg 6y ago

Democrats do not desire Hispanic immigration because they're likely to vote democrat. It's convenient but not all convenient things are causal. By and large Democrats prioritize the most disadvantaged first, and that's poor immigrants, many of whom happen to be coming across from Mexico.

m0zg 6y ago
> the most disadvantaged first How about prioritizing the most disadvantaged _US citizens_ first instead of kicking the stool from underneath them by importing cheap labor?
- Gibbon1 6y ago
  My dad talks about helping Mexicans pick cotton on his grandfathers farm in Central California. One reason my dad tried to do well as he could in school. I'm less worried about Mexicans spilling over into California than I am about jobs being off shored to the far east. Clinton lost in 2016 because she and Bill Clinton are poster childs for NAFTA and letting China into the world trade organization.
  - m0zg 6y ago
    You should be worried about Mexicans. Even today a lot of CA schools are majority-Hispanic. If migration continues at the present rate, the United States will lose sovereignty by the end of the century at the latest. Read "Flashpoints" by George Friedman, he explains really well what's going to happen. 50-75 million foreign nationals in the country who can also vote in Mexican elections is not a good scenario to pursue in the long term, even if you want some tactical electoral gains. Globalists don't really give a shit, but you, with your very much localized wealth, should. Then there are also the working poor (and _especially_ black working poor) facing stiff wage competition from Mexicans willing to work without worker protections and for a lower wage than would be sustainable for an American. What are those people supposed to do? Live off welfare? Who will pay for the welfare? Me? Why?

TeaDrunk 6y ago

I actually don’t know if this is true. Everything you listed about chinese/Indians not voting or being engaged civically applies very broadly to the Hispanic vote also. Hispanic engagement is quite low, because of many immigrants cannot vote (same as Chinese/Indian), Because civic engagement isn’t common (again same) and language barriers. Additionally the idea that Hispanics are a democrat leaning population isn’t true. Many sub populations are staunchly religious (catholic) and would vote to overturn roe v wade same as evangelicals. Additionally, the focus on DACA and Hispanic immigration may be because of size: Indian and Chinese immigrants aren’t even 5% of the USA out together, while immigrants just from Mexico are a whopping 11% of the USA.

notxnphbk 6y ago

> the Indian and Chinese community in America is not that politically assertive No, but the mega-corps that hire a lot of them are. Very much. And usually lean more towards supporting Democratic politicians to ensure their labor pipeline is kept in place.

kaitai 6y ago

This is straight BS from my experience. My local Dems are spending time on the Temporary Protected Status groups, especially Liberians who've been here since the 1990s, Haitians who don't have a home to go back to, Nepalese. They've spent a lot of time on immigration from Asia and since we have a large Indian- and Pakistani-American community where I'm from that's been an issue my representatives have worked on. I feel like you have a pretty narrow view -- maybe you're from a place where that's true, but it's not true out here in the rest of America.