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These kinds of rules are insane. It implies the government/bank cannot legitimately determine your status. It's a mind-boggling level of bureaucratic incompet

by jariel 6y ago

These kinds of rules are insane. It implies the government/bank cannot legitimately determine your status. It's a mind-boggling level of bureaucratic incompetency. You should get some kind of 'citizen number' from the government, then, the government allows certain 'highly regulated organizations' to 'check on status for specific reasons. You go to the bank/wireless carrier, show your ID with citizen number and 'prove it's you' - the bank has permission to request your 'status' from the government at that time (i.e. 'landed immigrant' 'citizen' 'diplomat') and makes their own business decisions. Easy peasy. Same thing for insurance, healthcare, social benefits etc..

mrtksn 6y ago
In the UK there's no concept if national ID and national ID card(There's an NI number for social security stuff but that's different). There's no central registry of citizens addresses and such, at least officially. It certainly makes some things harder but I respect the spirit of the way British approach these things. Once you are in, it feels like the government minds its own business and doesn't have to know everything you do. I also think that this fosters the free thinking and innovation that UK is a leader of.
- jariel 6y ago
  Even though I get what you are saying, I think this might be a post-romanticization of it all. Same with 'no constitution'. It just so happens that Napoleon never made it across the channel, and you never really had 'your own Napoleon' and so all of the 'ancient systems' remained - sometimes for the better, sometimes for the worse. Aside from the Biblically dystopian echoes of the 'each shall bear a mark which will be required to do commerce' of Revelations, which in all seriousness is a pretty insightful hint at what very well would provide the means for a totalitarian apparatus to control us all ... ... the benefits of some kind of 'national id' are just tremendous and we all need to think about this. 'Lack of ID' is a 'root cause' in everything from gun registry, to healthcare, to immigration, to financial fraud, to benefits fraud etc.. At least the gov. should provide a 'Google-like Single Sign' on for official use. The Canadian government is now defaulting to banks, god forbid billions of dollars in IT can't produce 'a login'.

by jariel 6y ago

mrtksn 6y ago

In the UK there's no concept if national ID and national ID card(There's an NI number for social security stuff but that's different). There's no central registry of citizens addresses and such, at least officially. It certainly makes some things harder but I respect the spirit of the way British approach these things. Once you are in, it feels like the government minds its own business and doesn't have to know everything you do. I also think that this fosters the free thinking and innovation that UK is a leader of.

jariel 6y ago
Even though I get what you are saying, I think this might be a post-romanticization of it all. Same with 'no constitution'. It just so happens that Napoleon never made it across the channel, and you never really had 'your own Napoleon' and so all of the 'ancient systems' remained - sometimes for the better, sometimes for the worse. Aside from the Biblically dystopian echoes of the 'each shall bear a mark which will be required to do commerce' of Revelations, which in all seriousness is a pretty insightful hint at what very well would provide the means for a totalitarian apparatus to control us all ... ... the benefits of some kind of 'national id' are just tremendous and we all need to think about this. 'Lack of ID' is a 'root cause' in everything from gun registry, to healthcare, to immigration, to financial fraud, to benefits fraud etc.. At least the gov. should provide a 'Google-like Single Sign' on for official use. The Canadian government is now defaulting to banks, god forbid billions of dollars in IT can't produce 'a login'.