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Or NYC can cut their budget. NYC spends 3.2 Billion on homeless services. https://www.wsj.com/articles/new-york-citys-spending-on-homeless-hits-3-2-billion-this

Or NYC can cut their budget. NYC spends 3.2 Billion on homeless services. https://www.wsj.com/articles/new-york-citys-spending-on-homeless-hits-3-2-billion-this-year-11558562997 https://www.wsj.com/articles/new-york-citys-spending-on-home... Not saying the cuts need to come from that segment, but let the sheer size of some of these budgetary items sink in.

wombatmobile 6y ago
> Not saying the cuts need to come from that segment Are you sure? You didn't mention any other segment.
- jjeaff 6y ago
  $88B annual police budget. Maybe we can find some wiggle room in that budget.
  - fosk 6y ago
    Does somebody know how much SF spends on police annually?
    - pkaye 6y ago
      I think around $600M. https://www.sanfranciscopolice.org/sites/default/files/Documents/PoliceCommission/Police%20Commission020718-BudgetPresentationFY2018-2019.pdf https://www.sanfranciscopolice.org/sites/default/files/Docum...
  - codyb 6y ago
    NYC’s entire budget this year is 88B I believe. The NYPD is about 5 of that if I’m recalling correctly. It was 96Bn last year minus the 8Bn in cuts as a result of the decrease in revenues occurring due to the pandemic. The NYPD, again off the top of my head, is about 7% of the annual budget? A far cry from many American cities which can spend between a quarter and a half of their budgets on policing (see Chicago, and LA for examples). But, there may still be wiggle room. I was pretty disgusted by their actions during the protests personally what with the shoving women to the ground hard enough to cause seizures and concussions, the driving vans into protesters, and whatnot. Also the discriminatory policing in mask enforcement. There’s gotta be a better way. I’m very curious about the efficacy of their anti terrorism efforts but have no data or really any idea on what they’re doing in that regard. The city is certainly safer than it used to be although violent crime seems to be ticking up nation wide, which I presume to be because everyone’s home rubbing shoulders in their neighborhoods instead of at work. Lots of variables in play.
  - ericbarrett 6y ago
    Where are you getting that number? Best sources I can find say $6 billion with another $4 billion in related obligations (pensions etc.). $88 billion is nearly the city’s whole budget.
    - jjeaff 6y ago
      You are correct. I transposed some numbers on the table I found.
  - bJGVygG7MQVF8c 6y ago
    NYC has a vast underclass that spawns huge numbers of violent young males that have to be kept in line in order to minimize the violent victimization of productive residents. I'm not saying this is pretty or desirable, but it's undeniably the result of decades of policy decisions. Soft non-urban whites don't generally understand this.
fyfy18 6y ago
If the population numbers in the article are correct (~16,000 people homeless), that works out to $200,000 per person per year. I'm not familiar with how that is used, but from an outsider it sounds like there are a lot of inefficiencies in spending.
- IkmoIkmo 6y ago
  I'd be interested in the throughout then, instead of annual snapshot figures. If the average homelessness is say 5 weeks /1.2 months roughly, then you may be servicing 10x as many homeless people or 160 thousand, for 20k each. With servicing meaning: short term housing for the duration of the homelessness, medical care, counselling, labour force training and placement, employer and landlord subsidies for the first six months of employment/housing contract etc.
  - fyfy18 6y ago
    Good point!

wombatmobile 6y ago

> Not saying the cuts need to come from that segment Are you sure? You didn't mention any other segment.

jjeaff 6y ago
$88B annual police budget. Maybe we can find some wiggle room in that budget.
- fosk 6y ago
  Does somebody know how much SF spends on police annually?
  - pkaye 6y ago
    I think around $600M. https://www.sanfranciscopolice.org/sites/default/files/Documents/PoliceCommission/Police%20Commission020718-BudgetPresentationFY2018-2019.pdf https://www.sanfranciscopolice.org/sites/default/files/Docum...
- codyb 6y ago
  NYC’s entire budget this year is 88B I believe. The NYPD is about 5 of that if I’m recalling correctly. It was 96Bn last year minus the 8Bn in cuts as a result of the decrease in revenues occurring due to the pandemic. The NYPD, again off the top of my head, is about 7% of the annual budget? A far cry from many American cities which can spend between a quarter and a half of their budgets on policing (see Chicago, and LA for examples). But, there may still be wiggle room. I was pretty disgusted by their actions during the protests personally what with the shoving women to the ground hard enough to cause seizures and concussions, the driving vans into protesters, and whatnot. Also the discriminatory policing in mask enforcement. There’s gotta be a better way. I’m very curious about the efficacy of their anti terrorism efforts but have no data or really any idea on what they’re doing in that regard. The city is certainly safer than it used to be although violent crime seems to be ticking up nation wide, which I presume to be because everyone’s home rubbing shoulders in their neighborhoods instead of at work. Lots of variables in play.
- ericbarrett 6y ago
  Where are you getting that number? Best sources I can find say $6 billion with another $4 billion in related obligations (pensions etc.). $88 billion is nearly the city’s whole budget.
  - jjeaff 6y ago
    You are correct. I transposed some numbers on the table I found.
- bJGVygG7MQVF8c 6y ago
  NYC has a vast underclass that spawns huge numbers of violent young males that have to be kept in line in order to minimize the violent victimization of productive residents. I'm not saying this is pretty or desirable, but it's undeniably the result of decades of policy decisions. Soft non-urban whites don't generally understand this.

fyfy18 6y ago

If the population numbers in the article are correct (~16,000 people homeless), that works out to $200,000 per person per year. I'm not familiar with how that is used, but from an outsider it sounds like there are a lot of inefficiencies in spending.

IkmoIkmo 6y ago
I'd be interested in the throughout then, instead of annual snapshot figures. If the average homelessness is say 5 weeks /1.2 months roughly, then you may be servicing 10x as many homeless people or 160 thousand, for 20k each. With servicing meaning: short term housing for the duration of the homelessness, medical care, counselling, labour force training and placement, employer and landlord subsidies for the first six months of employment/housing contract etc.
- fyfy18 6y ago
  Good point!