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Every response everywhere was half assed, including China. That is, a lot of stuff didn't make sense, was contradictory, done at the wrong time, later turned o
by dalbasal 6y ago
Every response everywhere was half assed, including China.
That is, a lot of stuff didn't make sense, was contradictory, done at the wrong time, later turned out to be wrong, etc. This is part and parcel of putting together an immediate emergency response.
I live in Dublin, Ireland. There was a preemptive anti-vaxer protest here yesterday declaring the virus a hoax.
The key point of difference between places, IMO, is public and political tolerance for these things. Can you live with some policy being dumb, because you're inevitably going to think a lot of them are dumb.
- pjc50 6y agoWell, apart from New Zealand and Vietnam, and a few other places.
- colordrops 6y agoThere is evidence that exposure to other corona viruses gives some level of protection to covid. The Vietnamese have higher exposure to corona viruses that most other people which is one theory as to why they are less affected.
- csnover 6y agoCan you please provide a link to a study that supports your assertion that Vietnamese have higher exposure to coronaviruses? Thanks!
- colordrops 6y agohttps://www.thefitnessdoctors.com/post/natural-immunity-to-covid-19 https://www.thefitnessdoctors.com/post/natural-immunity-to-c... https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/immune-cells-common-cold-may-recognize-sars-cov-2 https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/immune-...
- csnover 6y agoThanks! I was hoping for an actual serology study showing that Vietnamese have more exposures to other coronaviruses than people in other countries, like you stated. Unfortunately, these links don’t offer any hard evidence at all to support that assertion, just speculation. The cross-reactivity study referenced in that NIH press release was conducted with samples from “USA, Netherlands, Germany, Singapore, and UK”, not Vietnam.
- dalbasal 6y agoI'm not saying that there were no good responses, better ones and worse ones. I'm saying they were all somewhat chaotic, haphazard and wrong in places. That's what happens when rulesets with multiple, sometimes competing goals have to be put in place quickly.
- makomk 6y agoNew Zealand and Vietnam definitely half-assed some rather important parts of their response. For example, New Zealand's prime minister told everyone for two months that workers in their quarantine hotels were being tested weekly for Covid. She came under some criticism for the lack of testing of other potentially-exposed workers, like at ports, but insisted that at least the important ones were being monitored. Most of those workers had, in fact, never been tested. At least one of them was definitely infected, and this was only detected because an unrelated outbreak of unknown source finally prompted the government to test them all - it very nearly caused their attempt to keep out Covid to fail, if something else hadn't first. As for Vietnam, if I remember rightly their run of no Covid cases was ended by a hospital outbreak that somehow went unnoticed until an elderly visitor to the hospital with no other plausible sources of infection happened to get infected, develop bad symptoms, and tested positive - and then so did several other people who'd been there. This does not suggest good things about their in-hospital testing. The amount of time it took for the existence of a new case to become public knowledge should also call into question just how forthright and honest the government was being.