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> People (selfishly) don't want to catch the virus and also want to listen to public health advice. People (unselfishly) don't want to spread the virus, unders

> People (selfishly) don't want to catch the virus and also want to listen to public health advice. People (unselfishly) don't want to spread the virus, understanding the public health advice that shows a high number of asymptomatic carriers.

dredmorbius 6y ago
Both motivations are likely present. The argument can be simplified by eliminating motivation, or balanced by listing both.
tempsolution 6y ago
LOL. Using "people" and "unselfishly" in the same sentence is deep. There may be perhaps one out of 100 who acts unselfishly, the rest only cares about themselves or their direct dependents. And usually that one out of 100 only thinks he is acting unselfishly, but just didn't yet honestly evaluate why he/she is caring about other people (to feel better?! Oops). And fun fact: Even if you were right, and locally this would be true for some unfathomable reason... The lockdown has saved lives... Lives of the rich and well off. However it has cost much more lives than those few percent who would have died if we didn't do anything. And it has caused unimaginable economic hardship across the world. But since the people who die and suffer now, are people not included in the statistics, nobody really cares. I mean why would you care about the repercussions of lockdowns in the 3rd world? We have soo much to worry about here, and we are so unselfishly staying at home to help our fellow humans... What an euphemism.
mensetmanusman 6y ago
True, but at this point, you can protect yourself if you wish with a proper n95 mask and limiting contact.
- BoorishBears 6y ago
  A real N95 mask is not that easy to come buy, and that's assuming you can even afford what prices are for individual buyers
  - akiselev 6y ago
    I ordered three 3M half mask respirators and 10 P100 cartridges for my family off Amazon a few weeks ago for less than $90 shipped - which is no more than 2x normal pricing IIRC. They're the kind used by construction workers and since I don't use them to put up drywall, each pair of cartridges lasts 3-12 months and the mask can be easily disinfected by unscrewing the cartridges and dunking the mask in alcohol. I've been recommending this path for anyone in a vulnerable group since March and not one person has had trouble acquiring non-disposable respirators or cartridges. My only concern in recommending this widely is that 3M doesn't really sell the masks to consumers - construction companies buy them by the box and they come in ziplock bags with instruction booklets that you'd hand out to everyone on a worksite to follow OSHA regulations. Since the masks are reusable and construction companies have lots of stock unused due to the economic slowdown, they're much more practical for non-healthcare workers who can afford to disinfect it each trip out without impacting supply for healthcare workers. They're also much easier for a novice to fit correctly, form a better seal thanks to all rubber (silicone?) interface, and breathe easier. Get a half mask respirator! Do not buy disposable N95/N100/P95/P100 - leave those for healthcare workers!
    - BoorishBears 6y ago
      I have a half mask respirator from before COVID for working with chemicals. It doesn't protect anyone but you unless you add an additional filter over the vent (affecting breathability), and the recommended lifetimes for cartridges aren't just based on it filling up with drywall. The electrostatic charge expires even as plain air and moisture go through the cartridge. I don't have the packaging for mine, but I don't remember the recommended lifetime being anywhere near 12 months. (Edit: Checking 3M's site, 6 months from the moment it's unsealed even if not used at all. Lifetime goes down from there with use, and when not used it should be in an air-tight container) - Additionally, those were sold out for a very long time from most common sources. There are people who need those to do their jobs just like any other mask, and I have no idea where you're getting the idea they're not hard to come by. Home Depot for example, no longer ships them here in the Northeast, and in-store stock is heavily limited. Actually it looks like Amazon has them back in stock, but every style I see will exhaust what you exhale (so it makes sense there's plenty to go around) If you're in a vulnerable population and cannot in any way avoid coming into contact with others I guess a respirator is better than nothing for your personal safety? But going out of your way to get respirators that people need to safely do their jobs just like the healthcare workers do if you don't actually need to is ill-advised.
- deckard1 6y ago
  It's weird you keep repeating this comment on a thread about Yelp which is primarily about restaurants closing. How are you eating and drinking with an n95 mask on?

dredmorbius 6y ago

Both motivations are likely present. The argument can be simplified by eliminating motivation, or balanced by listing both.

tempsolution 6y ago

LOL. Using "people" and "unselfishly" in the same sentence is deep. There may be perhaps one out of 100 who acts unselfishly, the rest only cares about themselves or their direct dependents. And usually that one out of 100 only thinks he is acting unselfishly, but just didn't yet honestly evaluate why he/she is caring about other people (to feel better?! Oops). And fun fact: Even if you were right, and locally this would be true for some unfathomable reason... The lockdown has saved lives... Lives of the rich and well off. However it has cost much more lives than those few percent who would have died if we didn't do anything. And it has caused unimaginable economic hardship across the world. But since the people who die and suffer now, are people not included in the statistics, nobody really cares. I mean why would you care about the repercussions of lockdowns in the 3rd world? We have soo much to worry about here, and we are so unselfishly staying at home to help our fellow humans... What an euphemism.

mensetmanusman 6y ago

True, but at this point, you can protect yourself if you wish with a proper n95 mask and limiting contact.

BoorishBears 6y ago
A real N95 mask is not that easy to come buy, and that's assuming you can even afford what prices are for individual buyers
- akiselev 6y ago
  I ordered three 3M half mask respirators and 10 P100 cartridges for my family off Amazon a few weeks ago for less than $90 shipped - which is no more than 2x normal pricing IIRC. They're the kind used by construction workers and since I don't use them to put up drywall, each pair of cartridges lasts 3-12 months and the mask can be easily disinfected by unscrewing the cartridges and dunking the mask in alcohol. I've been recommending this path for anyone in a vulnerable group since March and not one person has had trouble acquiring non-disposable respirators or cartridges. My only concern in recommending this widely is that 3M doesn't really sell the masks to consumers - construction companies buy them by the box and they come in ziplock bags with instruction booklets that you'd hand out to everyone on a worksite to follow OSHA regulations. Since the masks are reusable and construction companies have lots of stock unused due to the economic slowdown, they're much more practical for non-healthcare workers who can afford to disinfect it each trip out without impacting supply for healthcare workers. They're also much easier for a novice to fit correctly, form a better seal thanks to all rubber (silicone?) interface, and breathe easier. Get a half mask respirator! Do not buy disposable N95/N100/P95/P100 - leave those for healthcare workers!
  - BoorishBears 6y ago
    I have a half mask respirator from before COVID for working with chemicals. It doesn't protect anyone but you unless you add an additional filter over the vent (affecting breathability), and the recommended lifetimes for cartridges aren't just based on it filling up with drywall. The electrostatic charge expires even as plain air and moisture go through the cartridge. I don't have the packaging for mine, but I don't remember the recommended lifetime being anywhere near 12 months. (Edit: Checking 3M's site, 6 months from the moment it's unsealed even if not used at all. Lifetime goes down from there with use, and when not used it should be in an air-tight container) - Additionally, those were sold out for a very long time from most common sources. There are people who need those to do their jobs just like any other mask, and I have no idea where you're getting the idea they're not hard to come by. Home Depot for example, no longer ships them here in the Northeast, and in-store stock is heavily limited. Actually it looks like Amazon has them back in stock, but every style I see will exhaust what you exhale (so it makes sense there's plenty to go around) If you're in a vulnerable population and cannot in any way avoid coming into contact with others I guess a respirator is better than nothing for your personal safety? But going out of your way to get respirators that people need to safely do their jobs just like the healthcare workers do if you don't actually need to is ill-advised.
deckard1 6y ago
It's weird you keep repeating this comment on a thread about Yelp which is primarily about restaurants closing. How are you eating and drinking with an n95 mask on?