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Could you please provide more information on this? If this is true it may change my congress and senate votes from blue to red. I won't vote in a presidential

Could you please provide more information on this? If this is true it may change my congress and senate votes from blue to red. I won't vote in a presidential candidate that supports lockdowns "if the science supports it" and will make me wear a mask. Can his party truly make my state do these things? If so that's terrifying to me and there's no way I'm giving blue, the people I voted for all my life until this year, this type of power.

rm_-rf_slash 6y ago
Do you wear seatbelts?
- just-juan-post 6y ago
  Sure let's talk about some related things: - Let's ban alcohol due to all the harm it does in the world and plus I, a non-drinker, don't want get hit by a drunk driver. It's better we just ban it all together and everyone will be safe - what do you say? - Next up is mandatory condoms! I mean there's no assurance that people won't spread AIDS so in the name of public health condoms are now mandatory. Enjoy! - Time for our old friend "unhealthy" food. Obesity makes my insurance premiums go up and it's well established that obesity is a social disease. Time to put an end to this too. - Ugh, smoking. All smoking will be banned because I can definitely smell that when the car ahead of me has a smoker in it. Ban this too. I think first up we should do alcohol, what do you say?
  - liability 6y ago
    If some new restrictive law saves Just One Life™ in a world of billions, then you'd have to be a murderous sociopath to oppose it!
    - just-juan-post 6y ago
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXWhbUUE4ko https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXWhbUUE4ko Enjoy your Sunday
      - liability 6y ago
        Oh man, you just made my day. Thank you for this.
  - bbarn 6y ago
    I think you should start with the Media and freedom of speech. They've done more harm than all of those things in the last few decades.
  - Grimm1 6y ago
    Sounds good to me let's get rid of alcohol the US has a really unhealthy relationship with it anyway, let's do it. Lockdown protects the public health and has long standing precedent. https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/197/11 https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/197/11 Just come out and say you're a selfish person who doesn't care if they harm people instead of hiding behind all of the pretense that it's restricting you too much.
    - thekyle 6y ago
      Given that the last time the U.S. banned alcohol it was a total disaster causing thousands of deaths, and we now live in a time where public sentiment towards many currently illegal drugs becoming legal is positive. I don't expect prohibition to come back any time soon.
      - dredmorbius 6y ago
        Criminalising morality does tend to fare poorly. Setting responsibility at appropriate levels or behaviours (say, contributory negligence liability for drugs- or alcohol-based deaths or injury to the industry rather than individual users) might have merits. Effective determination and points of control can be thorny.
    - just-juan-post 6y ago
      > selfish Ah I love the "selfish" card. Perhaps the pro-lockdown crowd is so selfish they helped 60% of businesses close. Perhaps the pro-lockdown crowd is so selfish that they helped tens of millions become unemployed. Perhaps the anti-choice crowd is so selfish that they restricted the choices of others due to their own fears. Perhaps. Perhaps my side is simply pro-choice.
      - Grimm1 6y ago
        Sounds like the governments fault. I don't believe in allowing choices that go against the grain of common sense and utilitarian consequence.
  - rm_-rf_slash 6y ago
    Is the AstroTurf pay good? Coding on a Sunday has me wondering what else is out there.
    - dang 6y ago
      Please don't break the site guidelines like that. Seriously not cool. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
azinman2 6y ago
Can you explain why not wearing a mask is so important to you? I simply don’t understand this reaction. We already don’t let you go naked in the streets for a variety of reasons including public health, and masks are one of the major tools we have to combat this virus. We already require standards for restaurants otherwise they get shut down due to public health concerns (there’s no freedom allowed to serve rotting meat and make others sick). Countries with high mask compliance like S Korea and Hong Kong have had far fewer cases, and when they, they limit the spread better. We’ve already lost 200k Americans in roughly 6 months, with millions more to lose if we remove all restrictions and no one wears a mask. Why does public health get such a low priority for you? And why does your freedom allow you to spread a deadly virus to me, where I have no say in it?

rm_-rf_slash 6y ago

Do you wear seatbelts?

just-juan-post 6y ago
Sure let's talk about some related things: - Let's ban alcohol due to all the harm it does in the world and plus I, a non-drinker, don't want get hit by a drunk driver. It's better we just ban it all together and everyone will be safe - what do you say? - Next up is mandatory condoms! I mean there's no assurance that people won't spread AIDS so in the name of public health condoms are now mandatory. Enjoy! - Time for our old friend "unhealthy" food. Obesity makes my insurance premiums go up and it's well established that obesity is a social disease. Time to put an end to this too. - Ugh, smoking. All smoking will be banned because I can definitely smell that when the car ahead of me has a smoker in it. Ban this too. I think first up we should do alcohol, what do you say?
- liability 6y ago
  If some new restrictive law saves Just One Life™ in a world of billions, then you'd have to be a murderous sociopath to oppose it!
  - just-juan-post 6y ago
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXWhbUUE4ko https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXWhbUUE4ko Enjoy your Sunday
    - liability 6y ago
      Oh man, you just made my day. Thank you for this.
- bbarn 6y ago
  I think you should start with the Media and freedom of speech. They've done more harm than all of those things in the last few decades.
- Grimm1 6y ago
  Sounds good to me let's get rid of alcohol the US has a really unhealthy relationship with it anyway, let's do it. Lockdown protects the public health and has long standing precedent. https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/197/11 https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/197/11 Just come out and say you're a selfish person who doesn't care if they harm people instead of hiding behind all of the pretense that it's restricting you too much.
  - thekyle 6y ago
    Given that the last time the U.S. banned alcohol it was a total disaster causing thousands of deaths, and we now live in a time where public sentiment towards many currently illegal drugs becoming legal is positive. I don't expect prohibition to come back any time soon.
    - dredmorbius 6y ago
      Criminalising morality does tend to fare poorly. Setting responsibility at appropriate levels or behaviours (say, contributory negligence liability for drugs- or alcohol-based deaths or injury to the industry rather than individual users) might have merits. Effective determination and points of control can be thorny.
  - just-juan-post 6y ago
    > selfish Ah I love the "selfish" card. Perhaps the pro-lockdown crowd is so selfish they helped 60% of businesses close. Perhaps the pro-lockdown crowd is so selfish that they helped tens of millions become unemployed. Perhaps the anti-choice crowd is so selfish that they restricted the choices of others due to their own fears. Perhaps. Perhaps my side is simply pro-choice.
    - Grimm1 6y ago
      Sounds like the governments fault. I don't believe in allowing choices that go against the grain of common sense and utilitarian consequence.
- rm_-rf_slash 6y ago
  Is the AstroTurf pay good? Coding on a Sunday has me wondering what else is out there.
  - dang 6y ago
    Please don't break the site guidelines like that. Seriously not cool. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

azinman2 6y ago

Can you explain why not wearing a mask is so important to you? I simply don’t understand this reaction. We already don’t let you go naked in the streets for a variety of reasons including public health, and masks are one of the major tools we have to combat this virus. We already require standards for restaurants otherwise they get shut down due to public health concerns (there’s no freedom allowed to serve rotting meat and make others sick). Countries with high mask compliance like S Korea and Hong Kong have had far fewer cases, and when they, they limit the spread better. We’ve already lost 200k Americans in roughly 6 months, with millions more to lose if we remove all restrictions and no one wears a mask. Why does public health get such a low priority for you? And why does your freedom allow you to spread a deadly virus to me, where I have no say in it?