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So the argument is china was once invaded by foreign gunships (not american) so they should be allowed to ban american companies (Google, Youtube, Facebook, Twi

So the argument is china was once invaded by foreign gunships (not american) so they should be allowed to ban american companies (Google, Youtube, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Whatsapp, Netflix & hundreds more) but allowed to operate any company they want in the U.S?

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TheNorthman 6y ago
Perhaps OP wasn't making a normative statement but rather speculating on how the past could materially affect the present?
refurb 6y ago
Yeah, that seems like a very weak argument. It might be helpful to understand why China does what it does. It doesn't really excuse it though.
- deathgrips 6y ago
  China does what it does because it wants as much control as possible over its populace.
wombatmobile 6y ago
That's a different argument to the one you are inferring. Both arguments could benefit from more context. Boxer Rebellion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion Eight-Nation Alliance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight-Nation_Alliance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight-Nation_Alliance
- gruez 6y ago
  And what context does those articles add, other than what's already presented?
  - wombatmobile 6y ago
    China fought a land war against a coalition of invaders who attempted to subvert its economic, political and religious sovereignty. China lost, was forced to cede Hong Kong to the British for 99 years, and paid 668,661,220 taels of silver from 1901 to 1939, equivalent in 2010 to $US 61 billion on a purchasing power parity basis. A large portion of the reparations paid to the United States was diverted to pay for the education of Chinese students in U.S. universities under the Boxer Indemnity Scholarship Program. To prepare the students chosen for this program an institute was established to teach the English language and to serve as a preparatory school. When the first of these students returned to China they undertook the teaching of subsequent students; from this institute was born Tsinghua University.
    - srtjstjsj 6y ago
      Fascinating but doesn't seem relevant to the topic at hand. The China of that history has been displaced by an undemocratic revolutionary regime that conquered the Chinese people.
      - wombatmobile 6y ago
        Are you sure you have your timeline straight, srtjstsj? When were the Chinese people "conquered"? Tsinghua University is a world leader in AI and software technology. Chinese engineers and entrepreneurs are competing in world markets with innovative products and services, not gunships. 100 million American users of TikTok appreciate this. Have you considered the possibility that China is not trying to take over the world, but rather to be a part of it? https://uwaterloo.ca/tsinghua-uwaterloo-joint-research-centre-micro-nano-energy-environmental-technology/news/how-chinas-mit-tsinghua-university-drives-countrys-tech https://uwaterloo.ca/tsinghua-uwaterloo-joint-research-centr...
        pnw_hazor 6y ago
        The CCP conquered the Chinese people.
- alextheparrot 6y ago
  It might be helpful to make the argument explicitly rather than just link to historical events when people have reached to attempting to infer it.

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TheNorthman 6y ago

Perhaps OP wasn't making a normative statement but rather speculating on how the past could materially affect the present?

refurb 6y ago

Yeah, that seems like a very weak argument. It might be helpful to understand why China does what it does. It doesn't really excuse it though.

deathgrips 6y ago
China does what it does because it wants as much control as possible over its populace.

wombatmobile 6y ago

That's a different argument to the one you are inferring. Both arguments could benefit from more context. Boxer Rebellion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion Eight-Nation Alliance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight-Nation_Alliance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight-Nation_Alliance

gruez 6y ago
And what context does those articles add, other than what's already presented?
- wombatmobile 6y ago
  China fought a land war against a coalition of invaders who attempted to subvert its economic, political and religious sovereignty. China lost, was forced to cede Hong Kong to the British for 99 years, and paid 668,661,220 taels of silver from 1901 to 1939, equivalent in 2010 to $US 61 billion on a purchasing power parity basis. A large portion of the reparations paid to the United States was diverted to pay for the education of Chinese students in U.S. universities under the Boxer Indemnity Scholarship Program. To prepare the students chosen for this program an institute was established to teach the English language and to serve as a preparatory school. When the first of these students returned to China they undertook the teaching of subsequent students; from this institute was born Tsinghua University.
  - srtjstjsj 6y ago
    Fascinating but doesn't seem relevant to the topic at hand. The China of that history has been displaced by an undemocratic revolutionary regime that conquered the Chinese people.
    - wombatmobile 6y ago
      Are you sure you have your timeline straight, srtjstsj? When were the Chinese people "conquered"? Tsinghua University is a world leader in AI and software technology. Chinese engineers and entrepreneurs are competing in world markets with innovative products and services, not gunships. 100 million American users of TikTok appreciate this. Have you considered the possibility that China is not trying to take over the world, but rather to be a part of it? https://uwaterloo.ca/tsinghua-uwaterloo-joint-research-centre-micro-nano-energy-environmental-technology/news/how-chinas-mit-tsinghua-university-drives-countrys-tech https://uwaterloo.ca/tsinghua-uwaterloo-joint-research-centr...
      - pnw_hazor 6y ago
        The CCP conquered the Chinese people.
alextheparrot 6y ago
It might be helpful to make the argument explicitly rather than just link to historical events when people have reached to attempting to infer it.