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Ah yes, let’s criticize a once in a hundred year event which evolved in real time and affected the entire globe. Plenty of blame to go around but you can’t just

Ah yes, let’s criticize a once in a hundred year event which evolved in real time and affected the entire globe. Plenty of blame to go around but you can’t just have a global pandemic and expect a world which was obviously under prepared to have no collateral damage. Have some perspective.

jazzercize 6y ago
It sure hasn't stopped the Biden campaign from blaming every..single..death on Trump. Yes, it was a lifetime event. But the failed responses of many leaders shows they shouldn't really have the power in the first place. Democrats were still bickering about Trump's impeachment until the end of January (which turned out to be a big nothing, which we all knew). Trump started the ball rolling when it comes to Covid and started banning flights from China early on. He was called a racist and a bigot for doing the right thing. The Mayor of New York put the elderly back into retirement homes, even after testing positive for Covid. This contributed to many deaths and we still don't know to what extent, because data on it won't be released until the totally random time of the day after the November election. Many other Democrat governors followed suit. The Governor of Michigan has made herself the dictator of the state. She overrules anything she doesn't like with executive orders, essentially making the local government void. Covid has shown us the true colors of our local leaders: they really just want to be petty dictators and aren't really trying to help the people at all. Democrats have pounced on the opportunity to destroy the economy and blame Trump, all in the hopes to win the next election. They've even become anti-vaxxors, trying to put the seeds of doubt into the minds of anything that will listen that if a Vaccine comes out and Trump is president, it's bad and you shouldn't take it. Even big tech is doing the dirty work of the Democrats by censoring all opposing opinions which directly results in election interference.
- inthewoods 6y ago
  With what we're learning about Trump's response - including re-writing CDC guidelines, no organized Federal response, and an outward positioning of COVID as "it'll go away on it's own" while saying privately that it was deadly, I think it's safe to say that a significant amount of unnecessary deaths are caused by Trump's actions or lack of action. Can't claim them all certainly, but that's politics.
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ArkVark 6y ago
Its not a 1 in 100 year event, its a once a decade event exaggerated by a hysterical media and exacerbated by an aged and unhealthy population, and weak regular flu seasons for the past two years leaving a lot of 'dry tinder'. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1957%E2%80%931958_influenza_pandemic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1957%E2%80%931958_influenza_pa... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong_flu https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong_flu https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_swine_flu_pandemic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_swine_flu_pandemic Sweden's deaths in 2020 are at the highest since 1993. What happened in 1993? A flu pandemic, that no one has ever heard of.
- inthewoods 6y ago
  200,000 people (at least) are dead here in the US. That is not a small event that is being exaggerated by a hysterical media.
  - tux1968 6y ago
    That's a really shallow analysis though. It doesn't consider how many of those people would have survived without a pandemic, and it doesn't count suicides and degraded quality of life costs due to the lockdown rather than the disease.
    - inthewoods 6y ago
      You're right but likely in the wrong direction: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02497-w https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02497-w We may be undercounting the number of deaths.
    - dredmorbius 6y ago
      Excess deaths can and have been tracked based on overall mortality and deviation from previous years. The estimate is greater than official COVID-19 statistics for the US, being 248,000 as of 11 September. Worldwide, excess mortality exceeds COVID-19 statistcs (presently nearing 1 million) by 263,000. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/21/world/coronavirus-missing-deaths.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/21/world/coronav...
pc86 6y ago
I don't think they're expecting "no collateral damage," but especially in the US state responses varied widely (not necessarily a bad thing), and some governors grossly overstepped their authority, as evidenced by courts calling some of the measures taken unconstitutional.

jazzercize 6y ago

It sure hasn't stopped the Biden campaign from blaming every..single..death on Trump. Yes, it was a lifetime event. But the failed responses of many leaders shows they shouldn't really have the power in the first place. Democrats were still bickering about Trump's impeachment until the end of January (which turned out to be a big nothing, which we all knew). Trump started the ball rolling when it comes to Covid and started banning flights from China early on. He was called a racist and a bigot for doing the right thing. The Mayor of New York put the elderly back into retirement homes, even after testing positive for Covid. This contributed to many deaths and we still don't know to what extent, because data on it won't be released until the totally random time of the day after the November election. Many other Democrat governors followed suit. The Governor of Michigan has made herself the dictator of the state. She overrules anything she doesn't like with executive orders, essentially making the local government void. Covid has shown us the true colors of our local leaders: they really just want to be petty dictators and aren't really trying to help the people at all. Democrats have pounced on the opportunity to destroy the economy and blame Trump, all in the hopes to win the next election. They've even become anti-vaxxors, trying to put the seeds of doubt into the minds of anything that will listen that if a Vaccine comes out and Trump is president, it's bad and you shouldn't take it. Even big tech is doing the dirty work of the Democrats by censoring all opposing opinions which directly results in election interference.

inthewoods 6y ago
With what we're learning about Trump's response - including re-writing CDC guidelines, no organized Federal response, and an outward positioning of COVID as "it'll go away on it's own" while saying privately that it was deadly, I think it's safe to say that a significant amount of unnecessary deaths are caused by Trump's actions or lack of action. Can't claim them all certainly, but that's politics.

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ArkVark 6y ago

Its not a 1 in 100 year event, its a once a decade event exaggerated by a hysterical media and exacerbated by an aged and unhealthy population, and weak regular flu seasons for the past two years leaving a lot of 'dry tinder'. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1957%E2%80%931958_influenza_pandemic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1957%E2%80%931958_influenza_pa... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong_flu https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong_flu https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_swine_flu_pandemic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_swine_flu_pandemic Sweden's deaths in 2020 are at the highest since 1993. What happened in 1993? A flu pandemic, that no one has ever heard of.

inthewoods 6y ago
200,000 people (at least) are dead here in the US. That is not a small event that is being exaggerated by a hysterical media.
- tux1968 6y ago
  That's a really shallow analysis though. It doesn't consider how many of those people would have survived without a pandemic, and it doesn't count suicides and degraded quality of life costs due to the lockdown rather than the disease.
  - inthewoods 6y ago
    You're right but likely in the wrong direction: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02497-w https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02497-w We may be undercounting the number of deaths.
  - dredmorbius 6y ago
    Excess deaths can and have been tracked based on overall mortality and deviation from previous years. The estimate is greater than official COVID-19 statistics for the US, being 248,000 as of 11 September. Worldwide, excess mortality exceeds COVID-19 statistcs (presently nearing 1 million) by 263,000. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/21/world/coronavirus-missing-deaths.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/21/world/coronav...

pc86 6y ago

I don't think they're expecting "no collateral damage," but especially in the US state responses varied widely (not necessarily a bad thing), and some governors grossly overstepped their authority, as evidenced by courts calling some of the measures taken unconstitutional.