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It's also how HN works. In a comment far below there's a link to a decent controlled experiment completely debunking this claim (outcome using controlled datase

by svrb 6y ago

It's also how HN works. In a comment far below there's a link to a decent controlled experiment completely debunking this claim (outcome using controlled dataset: 40 white to 52 black faces chosen). But that comment is heavily downvoted. https://twitter.com/vinayprabhu/status/1307497736191635458?s=19 https://twitter.com/vinayprabhu/status/1307497736191635458?s...

noxer 6y ago
People want it to be true. Instead they should want to know if its true.
- Lammy 6y ago
  People want to be able to believe in a truth they are told rather than have to have the responsibility of observing their own at all times. People have been wired so strongly for this that they will even downvote you when you remind them of it :)
- svrb 6y ago
  > People want it to be true. This is the really disturbing thing. Why would someone want Twitter to have race-based image cropping? And yet the behavior of many in the various threads is precisely as if they did! I think it may actually make them happier if it's true. Who are the real racists, again? It's hard to tell sometimes. And after all, doesn't the Twitter OP acknowledge this inevitable result when calling it a "horrible" experiment?
  - noxer 6y ago
    >Why would someone want Twitter to have race-based image cropping? -Victim mentality -Virtue signaling -Having a "proof" for a common enemy (twitter, social media , big evil corp etc. etc.)
acqq 6y ago
> (outcome using controlled dataset: 40 white to 52 black faces chosen). But that comment is heavily downvoted. Maybe because 1) If that's the comment you refer to, it also contains the claim "Misleading - it seems to be looking for contrast" which as far as I see isn't provably true? 2) in the end tweet of the experiment it's claimed: "I've created @cropping_bias to run the complete the experiment. Waiting for @Twitter to approve Dev credentials" and the https://twitter.com/cropping_bias https://twitter.com/cropping_bias is still empty at the moment? Edit: personally, the interesting experiments for me are like "a person against a drawing" -- the simpler the competition is the bigger the chance to figure out what the "preference" could be: https://mobile.twitter.com/griffonatrix/status/1307463528337547266 https://mobile.twitter.com/griffonatrix/status/1307463528337... (Luckily, I don't depend on Twitter, but I'd suggest that those who do should have the chance to do the "manual override.")
- noxer 6y ago
  He wants to collect more data. But current limited data shows no bias toward images from people with light skin tones.

by svrb 6y ago

noxer 6y ago

People want it to be true. Instead they should want to know if its true.

Lammy 6y ago
People want to be able to believe in a truth they are told rather than have to have the responsibility of observing their own at all times. People have been wired so strongly for this that they will even downvote you when you remind them of it :)
svrb 6y ago
> People want it to be true. This is the really disturbing thing. Why would someone want Twitter to have race-based image cropping? And yet the behavior of many in the various threads is precisely as if they did! I think it may actually make them happier if it's true. Who are the real racists, again? It's hard to tell sometimes. And after all, doesn't the Twitter OP acknowledge this inevitable result when calling it a "horrible" experiment?
- noxer 6y ago
  >Why would someone want Twitter to have race-based image cropping? -Victim mentality -Virtue signaling -Having a "proof" for a common enemy (twitter, social media , big evil corp etc. etc.)

acqq 6y ago

> (outcome using controlled dataset: 40 white to 52 black faces chosen). But that comment is heavily downvoted. Maybe because 1) If that's the comment you refer to, it also contains the claim "Misleading - it seems to be looking for contrast" which as far as I see isn't provably true? 2) in the end tweet of the experiment it's claimed: "I've created @cropping_bias to run the complete the experiment. Waiting for @Twitter to approve Dev credentials" and the https://twitter.com/cropping_bias https://twitter.com/cropping_bias is still empty at the moment? Edit: personally, the interesting experiments for me are like "a person against a drawing" -- the simpler the competition is the bigger the chance to figure out what the "preference" could be: https://mobile.twitter.com/griffonatrix/status/1307463528337547266 https://mobile.twitter.com/griffonatrix/status/1307463528337... (Luckily, I don't depend on Twitter, but I'd suggest that those who do should have the chance to do the "manual override.")

noxer 6y ago
He wants to collect more data. But current limited data shows no bias toward images from people with light skin tones.