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Source? This is a virus killing a ton of people and leaving many more flat on their backs for weeks... To suggest that it's "highly possible" someone's symptoms

Source? This is a virus killing a ton of people and leaving many more flat on their backs for weeks... To suggest that it's "highly possible" someone's symptoms are from anxiety is kind of insulting IMO.

matz1 6y ago
>killing a ton of people its not. current best estimate of ifr according to cdc : 0-19 years: 0.00003 20-49 years: 0.0002 50-69 years: 0.005 70+ years: 0.054 Percent of infections that are asymptomatic: 40% https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scena... Which is a good news that so many the cases are asymptomatic and the ifr is so low. Which is also inline with my own observation, I know almost nobody get really sick from covid. I still go out whenever I can, still travel whenever I can, still doing normal socialization/gathering as I possibly still can.
- sp332 6y ago
  That is a lot of people. 200,000 deaths already attributed to COVID-19 in the USA. That's 0.0006 of the entire population dead already. Is it good that it's not that contagious? Yes. Is it killing a lot of people? Also yes. All-causes mortality is up quite a bit too.
  - matz1 6y ago
    This is the part where it become very subjective. I disagree that its a lot, to me is not a lot. Though i could understand that for some people even 1 death is a lot.
    - jacquesm 6y ago
      How much is a lot for you? A million? Two? At what level will you admit that you're just plain wrong about all this? Or is it all fine as long as you get through in one piece?
      - matz1 6y ago
        Wrong about what? It is a fact that vast majority of cases are asymptomatic or only have mild symptoms. What about million people suffering due to lockdown? To you they should just endure it right? How about you, how much low is low to you ? 0 death ? 1 death ? How much is lockdown suffering is acceptable to you ?
        jacquesm 6y ago
        So, no answer then. Ok.
      - verylittlemeat 6y ago
        It's hard to define "a lot" for 2 reasons: 1. The human population is very large so even the smallest fraction is a sensational number. 2. Any death is a tragedy for someone, not the least the person who died. This creates a situation where you have lots of people talking past each other.
    - sp332 6y ago
      Maybe it's easier to understand as a rate. Around the beginning of May, the all-causes mortality rate in the USA was about 50% higher than normal. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02497-w https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02497-w
    - cipher_system 6y ago
      It sure sounds like a lot but historically its not, not yet anyway. This is a graph of historical deaths in Sweden which has a similar death rate as the US. https://twitter.com/PanData19/status/1297919439212552193/photo/1 https://twitter.com/PanData19/status/1297919439212552193/pho... While this year isn't over yet there has been years in my life time with worse death rates that went by completely unnoticed. Looking back in a couple of years I don't think people are gonna say that a lot of people died this year.
- jacquesm 6y ago
  You really should take that message at the end of the post to heart. It is directly addressed to you and those like you.
  - matz1 6y ago
    Likewise my comments are directly addressed to you and people like you too. The thing is decision to lockdown is not just affect you, it affect other people too.

matz1 6y ago

>killing a ton of people its not. current best estimate of ifr according to cdc : 0-19 years: 0.00003 20-49 years: 0.0002 50-69 years: 0.005 70+ years: 0.054 Percent of infections that are asymptomatic: 40% https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scena... Which is a good news that so many the cases are asymptomatic and the ifr is so low. Which is also inline with my own observation, I know almost nobody get really sick from covid. I still go out whenever I can, still travel whenever I can, still doing normal socialization/gathering as I possibly still can.

sp332 6y ago
That is a lot of people. 200,000 deaths already attributed to COVID-19 in the USA. That's 0.0006 of the entire population dead already. Is it good that it's not that contagious? Yes. Is it killing a lot of people? Also yes. All-causes mortality is up quite a bit too.
- matz1 6y ago
  This is the part where it become very subjective. I disagree that its a lot, to me is not a lot. Though i could understand that for some people even 1 death is a lot.
  - jacquesm 6y ago
    How much is a lot for you? A million? Two? At what level will you admit that you're just plain wrong about all this? Or is it all fine as long as you get through in one piece?
    - matz1 6y ago
      Wrong about what? It is a fact that vast majority of cases are asymptomatic or only have mild symptoms. What about million people suffering due to lockdown? To you they should just endure it right? How about you, how much low is low to you ? 0 death ? 1 death ? How much is lockdown suffering is acceptable to you ?
      - jacquesm 6y ago
        So, no answer then. Ok.
    - verylittlemeat 6y ago
      It's hard to define "a lot" for 2 reasons: 1. The human population is very large so even the smallest fraction is a sensational number. 2. Any death is a tragedy for someone, not the least the person who died. This creates a situation where you have lots of people talking past each other.
  - sp332 6y ago
    Maybe it's easier to understand as a rate. Around the beginning of May, the all-causes mortality rate in the USA was about 50% higher than normal. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02497-w https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02497-w
  - cipher_system 6y ago
    It sure sounds like a lot but historically its not, not yet anyway. This is a graph of historical deaths in Sweden which has a similar death rate as the US. https://twitter.com/PanData19/status/1297919439212552193/photo/1 https://twitter.com/PanData19/status/1297919439212552193/pho... While this year isn't over yet there has been years in my life time with worse death rates that went by completely unnoticed. Looking back in a couple of years I don't think people are gonna say that a lot of people died this year.
jacquesm 6y ago
You really should take that message at the end of the post to heart. It is directly addressed to you and those like you.
- matz1 6y ago
  Likewise my comments are directly addressed to you and people like you too. The thing is decision to lockdown is not just affect you, it affect other people too.