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Not going to comment on whether their strategy was effective or worth the cost in human toll, just going to say Sweden seems to be one of the few countries with

Not going to comment on whether their strategy was effective or worth the cost in human toll, just going to say Sweden seems to be one of the few countries with no detectable signs of a second wave. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/ https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/ EDIT: Before I start a flamewar, I guess I have to comment on whether I think Sweden's strategy was effective, so... 1. They might get a second wave in the future. But so far they seem to have avoided it. 2. It's too early to tell whether the cumulative loss in life and the cumulative economic damages will be better than those of other countries. So far, they do seem to have had more loss in life with less economic damage than their neighbors, but if they don't get a second wave, they might end up in a much better spot economically. So yeah, in conclusion, we should keep watching them to see how things play out but not draw conclusions like "they had more loss in life" or "they had less damage to the economy", because it's still too early.

djsjejjdi324 6y ago
You mean this Sweden? https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-06-03/man-behind-sweden-s-virus-strategy-says-he-got-some-things-wrong https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-06-03/man-behin...
- zwily 6y ago
  When that interview was done, Sweden was in a pretty bad spot. Today their strategy is looking much more successful. Do you have anything more recent from him?
  - bshipp 6y ago
    Today everyone's strategy is looking more successful as we leave the summer. We will see how it all stacks up in the next six months after flu season.
CydeWeys 6y ago
Sweden also has one of the highest per capita COVID-19 mortality rates in the world, yet still suffered economically from the virus same as anyone else. This should always be in the conversation every time we're talking about the Sweden response.
null_object 6y ago
>Sweden seems to be one of the few countries with no detectable signs of a second wave. It’s really just too early to say. There’s a strong tradition of spending summers in a country cottage in Sweden. These are naturally very socially distanced (often alone in the forest), and they go together with spending all day, every day out in the sunshine - and thereby getting a massive vitamin D boost. Furthermore, the weather is still mild, and a lot of people who’d normally be back in town, are choosing to work from their country cottage instead. This is especially true of the older, vulnerable generation. Finally there’s also been a few days when deaths have crept up. But counting has continually been hampered by chronic delays - so I’d say wait a few weeks before assuming Sweden is in the clear.
cactus2093 6y ago
Compare them to another country like the UK, where the peak was in late April, they got down to a low point in early July and then it didn’t start to look like an unmistakable second wave for 2 months, around early September. Sweden’s peak and then trough are shifted by about 2 or 2 1/2 months from them (their peak was in mid July and they only hit their low point at the end of August/beginning of September). So it’s way too early to make any conclusion about what will happen next there. If they do end up following the same trend as the UK, it won’t be clear in graphs until November.
sjg007 6y ago
Maybe because the first wave didn't end? The USA is still in it's first wave too.
- Ozzie_osman 6y ago
  The first wave definitely did end (and yes, it was pretty bad). But look at the linked data. Cases and deaths are significantly down from the peak.
kyriakos 6y ago
Have a look at the following: https://i.redd.it/8gugazufo1o51.jpg https://i.redd.it/8gugazufo1o51.jpg it looks like Sweden is fairing the same as far as new infections as most of the other European countries. So the fact is that its population didn't develop herd immunity (or at least it didn't in any measure better than other countries who did lock down) and its economy was still hit quite hard comparatively (https://www.bbc.com/news/business-53664354 https://www.bbc.com/news/business-53664354)
raducu 6y ago
And? Is there a lesson applicable for other countries? Would we have had less deaths without lockdowns?

djsjejjdi324 6y ago

You mean this Sweden? https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-06-03/man-behind-sweden-s-virus-strategy-says-he-got-some-things-wrong https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-06-03/man-behin...

zwily 6y ago
When that interview was done, Sweden was in a pretty bad spot. Today their strategy is looking much more successful. Do you have anything more recent from him?
- bshipp 6y ago
  Today everyone's strategy is looking more successful as we leave the summer. We will see how it all stacks up in the next six months after flu season.

CydeWeys 6y ago

Sweden also has one of the highest per capita COVID-19 mortality rates in the world, yet still suffered economically from the virus same as anyone else. This should always be in the conversation every time we're talking about the Sweden response.

null_object 6y ago

>Sweden seems to be one of the few countries with no detectable signs of a second wave. It’s really just too early to say. There’s a strong tradition of spending summers in a country cottage in Sweden. These are naturally very socially distanced (often alone in the forest), and they go together with spending all day, every day out in the sunshine - and thereby getting a massive vitamin D boost. Furthermore, the weather is still mild, and a lot of people who’d normally be back in town, are choosing to work from their country cottage instead. This is especially true of the older, vulnerable generation. Finally there’s also been a few days when deaths have crept up. But counting has continually been hampered by chronic delays - so I’d say wait a few weeks before assuming Sweden is in the clear.

cactus2093 6y ago

Compare them to another country like the UK, where the peak was in late April, they got down to a low point in early July and then it didn’t start to look like an unmistakable second wave for 2 months, around early September. Sweden’s peak and then trough are shifted by about 2 or 2 1/2 months from them (their peak was in mid July and they only hit their low point at the end of August/beginning of September). So it’s way too early to make any conclusion about what will happen next there. If they do end up following the same trend as the UK, it won’t be clear in graphs until November.

sjg007 6y ago

Maybe because the first wave didn't end? The USA is still in it's first wave too.

Ozzie_osman 6y ago
The first wave definitely did end (and yes, it was pretty bad). But look at the linked data. Cases and deaths are significantly down from the peak.

kyriakos 6y ago

Have a look at the following: https://i.redd.it/8gugazufo1o51.jpg https://i.redd.it/8gugazufo1o51.jpg it looks like Sweden is fairing the same as far as new infections as most of the other European countries. So the fact is that its population didn't develop herd immunity (or at least it didn't in any measure better than other countries who did lock down) and its economy was still hit quite hard comparatively (https://www.bbc.com/news/business-53664354 https://www.bbc.com/news/business-53664354)

raducu 6y ago

And? Is there a lesson applicable for other countries? Would we have had less deaths without lockdowns?