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> and Christian ethics rejects such exploitation You recognise no other ethics? You abrogate all ethical judgements to your narrow viewpoint, apparently leavin

> and Christian ethics rejects such exploitation You recognise no other ethics? You abrogate all ethical judgements to your narrow viewpoint, apparently leaving none for others - of all other religions and in my case, atheism. So I am amoral? immoral? You haven't learnt from the horrors that christianity inflicted upon so many. In not learning, you are willing to perpetuate them. > But overly "casual" sex can also be similarly objectifying and exploitive 'overly'? define 'overly' here. It's just a causally slapped-on label. You disapprove of casual sex, well that's your view, not mine. Any sex is fine if it's consented to, including degrading sex, which is loathsome to me but some like that - I will not tell others how to live their lives. But some christians will, it seems. > Given the grievous consequences that can be involved in sexual victimization, it seems safe to say that sexual ethics is always a complicated matter Heck, this sentence is a mess: "...that can be involved in sexual victimization" as opposed to other victimisation? "it seems safe to say" Does it? You need to justify this - again without presumptive weasel wording. "...it's just basic sexual ethics on easy mode." More weaseling, implying that my position is 'easy mode' therefore childish and wrong. If we assume adults can give consent freely by dint of being adults and not in exploitative circumstances, that's enough for me and covers the vast majority of encounters. You're just wrapping up an uncharitable (but christian!) view of what's right and wrong saying others should obey it. This caused eg. gays to have a miserable time for centuries. Shall I mention the treatment of jews, the crusades, the inquision. I reject anything that leads to a rerun of those, I reject your value system (at least on this aspect). I reject your judgement of others. I reject your intolerance. Some words from the bible I do like: Judge not lest you be judged.

zozbot234 6y ago
> You recognise no other ethics? You abrogate all ethical judgements to your narrow viewpoint, apparently leaving none for others - of all other religions The rule of reciprocity is part of many ethical traditions, as is general respect for temperance and self-control in sexual matters. So I'm not sure how christianity is alone or even 'narrow' in this respect. Of course we should not be judgmental of people for what they do in private, since they're not involving anyone else and can be assumed to act with at least basic responsibility. But those who actively promote lifestyles and ideologies in the public sphere can be fairly criticized. Like it or not, promoting a lifestyle or ideology such as LGBTQ+ means making very specific claims as to how "others should live their lives" and we all should be free to choose whether or not to further promote these claims and values.

zozbot234 6y ago

> You recognise no other ethics? You abrogate all ethical judgements to your narrow viewpoint, apparently leaving none for others - of all other religions The rule of reciprocity is part of many ethical traditions, as is general respect for temperance and self-control in sexual matters. So I'm not sure how christianity is alone or even 'narrow' in this respect. Of course we should not be judgmental of people for what they do in private, since they're not involving anyone else and can be assumed to act with at least basic responsibility. But those who actively promote lifestyles and ideologies in the public sphere can be fairly criticized. Like it or not, promoting a lifestyle or ideology such as LGBTQ+ means making very specific claims as to how "others should live their lives" and we all should be free to choose whether or not to further promote these claims and values.