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Ask HN: Does anyone else misread the 'time since comment' as karma now?

43 points by kaisdavis 16y ago

WiseWeasel 16y ago
No.
- burgerbrain 16y ago
  I'm suprised this comment has so many up-vot.... oh wait. "32 minutes" Never mind...
solipsist 16y ago
Yes, you're not alone. This is one of those short term effects (i.e. withdrawal), although I agree that it has been annoying.
- sbierwagen 16y ago
  I initially upvoted this comment, rather than leave a redundant one... except comment karma isn't visible now, so it can't be used as a straw poll. Since I made this comment, I guess I better answer the actual question: Mmmmmm-kinda. We spent a lot of time on this issue when Lesswrong was starting out, and didn't come to any real conclusions. Visible comment karma induces some pretty big cognitive biases, and 1-dimensional karma definitely encourages groupthink, but hiding it is just so damn annoying. I've been having a hard time distinguishing the factors of my annoyance from the "boo hiss UI change", "oh geez a feature I used to use is gone", from what annoyance that might be there from an actual poor design decision. I'm definitely for experimentation, and weakly positive about hiding comment karma; but it's odd that such minor UI changes can so badly annoy users.
  - jarin 16y ago
    I'm in the "show karma only after voting" camp.
drivebyacct2 16y ago
I am surprised at how much I miss comment karma being visible. I scoffed at those who said they used it to gauge comments to consider versus skim past, but it turns out, it's exactly what I'd been doing. I guess I hadn't realized the amplification of the comment volume that has happened lately.
- protomyth 16y ago
  Yeah, I'm noticing it is harder with longer threads to get what the "group" finds important. For want of a better way to say it, it feels like I am more "alone" when reading the comments. I cannot see the wisdom of other people. Also, long response chains are really a pain because they "feel" harder to follow.
mambodog 16y ago
You'll get used to it. Give it time.
X-Istence 16y ago
Absolutely. In the longer threads I used to use comment karma as a way to decide if a long post/reply was worth reading or if it wasn't. If the rest of the thread was at 10+ and the long comment was at 2, then I knew I could just skip it. I have to filter information, it is no longer possible with the wealth of information to read everything that is written and decide on its merit. The amount of news I take in daily, and process would overwhelm those who start their day with a newspaper and watch the news at 8 at night. I hope that pg can reconsider, and add the karma back to the comments, it would definitely help me while reading HN.
bhickey 16y ago
Posts of this nature contribute nothing but noise on HN. I've flagged this for removal.
- sorbus 16y ago
  From the guidelines: "If you flag something, please don't also comment that you did."

43 points by kaisdavis 16y ago

WiseWeasel 16y ago

No.

burgerbrain 16y ago
I'm suprised this comment has so many up-vot.... oh wait. "32 minutes" Never mind...

solipsist 16y ago

Yes, you're not alone. This is one of those short term effects (i.e. withdrawal), although I agree that it has been annoying.

sbierwagen 16y ago
I initially upvoted this comment, rather than leave a redundant one... except comment karma isn't visible now, so it can't be used as a straw poll. Since I made this comment, I guess I better answer the actual question: Mmmmmm-kinda. We spent a lot of time on this issue when Lesswrong was starting out, and didn't come to any real conclusions. Visible comment karma induces some pretty big cognitive biases, and 1-dimensional karma definitely encourages groupthink, but hiding it is just so damn annoying. I've been having a hard time distinguishing the factors of my annoyance from the "boo hiss UI change", "oh geez a feature I used to use is gone", from what annoyance that might be there from an actual poor design decision. I'm definitely for experimentation, and weakly positive about hiding comment karma; but it's odd that such minor UI changes can so badly annoy users.
- jarin 16y ago
  I'm in the "show karma only after voting" camp.

drivebyacct2 16y ago

I am surprised at how much I miss comment karma being visible. I scoffed at those who said they used it to gauge comments to consider versus skim past, but it turns out, it's exactly what I'd been doing. I guess I hadn't realized the amplification of the comment volume that has happened lately.

protomyth 16y ago
Yeah, I'm noticing it is harder with longer threads to get what the "group" finds important. For want of a better way to say it, it feels like I am more "alone" when reading the comments. I cannot see the wisdom of other people. Also, long response chains are really a pain because they "feel" harder to follow.

mambodog 16y ago

You'll get used to it. Give it time.

X-Istence 16y ago

Absolutely. In the longer threads I used to use comment karma as a way to decide if a long post/reply was worth reading or if it wasn't. If the rest of the thread was at 10+ and the long comment was at 2, then I knew I could just skip it. I have to filter information, it is no longer possible with the wealth of information to read everything that is written and decide on its merit. The amount of news I take in daily, and process would overwhelm those who start their day with a newspaper and watch the news at 8 at night. I hope that pg can reconsider, and add the karma back to the comments, it would definitely help me while reading HN.

bhickey 16y ago

Posts of this nature contribute nothing but noise on HN. I've flagged this for removal.

sorbus 16y ago
From the guidelines: "If you flag something, please don't also comment that you did."