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You are of course aware that Apple is soon selling computers with their own processors, I hope. I don’t think Apple is struggling with performance in their chip

by toxik 6y ago

You are of course aware that Apple is soon selling computers with their own processors, I hope. I don’t think Apple is struggling with performance in their chips at all. > If you get a PC, you get literally thousands of choices. And none of them work reliably.

masklinn 6y ago
> You are of course aware that Apple is soon selling computers with their own processors, I hope. Which has 0 relevance. GGP was asserting that Apple Is an existential threat to AMD. Given AMD is not an Apple supplier (of CPU anyway) and Apple will not sell their chips to the outside world, that makes sense on no axis.
- ant6n 6y ago
  AMD would like to produce and sell mobile CPUs, which are a very important market for chip makers, and which rely very much on betting on the smallest possible node, to minimize power consumption.
  - distances 6y ago
    > AMD would like to produce and sell mobile CPUs Any sources for this? As far as I know, AMD has never designed CPU for mobiles.
    - HeWhoLurksLate 6y ago
      As far as mobiles broadly, my laptop has a Ryzen CPU in it. It's not out of the question for them to consider such a move, but I think that the bigger issue here for AMD is that it means they will wind up a mode behind the edge, giving their main competitor- Intel- more time to catch up.
pault 6y ago
> And none of them work reliably. That is absurd. Last year I built a PC with off the shelf components that I spent about 30 minutes picking out, and all I had to do was stick the windows installer into the USB port to get everything set up perfectly out of the box. I have never had any reliability issues and I only reboot about once per month for updates. I used Apple products exclusively for a decade, but a contract role last year required me to use a Windows dev environment. I was holding my nose going in, but using WSL has been a joy and my MacBook is now collecting dust in the closet. In my experience most Mac purists that turn their nose up at commodity PCs haven't used one since MacBooks became the standard hip startup dev machine. Things have changed a lot in the last ten years. And let's not pretend that Mac hardware has been perfectly reliable lately. In fact, of my hand rolled desktop PC and my 2017 MacBook Pro, the PC has had far fewer hardware reliability issues. Apple's declining hardware quality and increasingly unjustifiable retail prices have pretty much chased me off the platform after 10+ years of fanatical loyalty.
- pram 6y ago
  Your statement is ridiculous. The last 10 years? When was the last time you used a windows laptop provisioned by a company with a big enterprise style IT department? You know, the ones bogged down with tons of endpoint security crap, Citrix daemons, compliance daemons etc. Its still a shitshow that you have to use Linux or MacOS to escape in many places.
  - topranks 6y ago
    It’s a bit much to throw all that at the PC/Windows side. Sure companies fill them with shit, that’s not really a flaw in the underlying hardware/OS though. Those same people have less scope for that on OSX/Linux sure, but again that doesn’t mean the software/hardware is better.
  - ben_w 6y ago
    Sounds like the issue is the big enterprise style IT departments rather than the hardware or the OS.
  - mschuster91 6y ago
forty 6y ago
> And none of them work reliably. My experience is the opposite. In my team at work people have either recent Mac book pro or Thinkpad with Linux. And it seems like the ones on Macs have always all kind of issues (with zoom screen sharing, with openvpn/tunnelblick, with docker not working as expected, and lately, as it's hot in paris, cooling issues - I laughed as they were exchanging tips too cool their laptop with stuffs you can put in the freezer, because otherwise their computer would be so slow that some of our time sensitive tests would fail...)
- toxik 6y ago
  I use both and it’s leaps and bounds better using MacBooks for most things. Like putting your computer to sleep, or connecting external displays reliably.
stjohnswarts 6y ago
No PCs are reliable? That's just ignorance speaking there are tons of great PC models out that meet and exceed anything that apple does. You've got to be kidding, tongue in cheek, right?

by toxik 6y ago

masklinn 6y ago

> You are of course aware that Apple is soon selling computers with their own processors, I hope. Which has 0 relevance. GGP was asserting that Apple Is an existential threat to AMD. Given AMD is not an Apple supplier (of CPU anyway) and Apple will not sell their chips to the outside world, that makes sense on no axis.

ant6n 6y ago
AMD would like to produce and sell mobile CPUs, which are a very important market for chip makers, and which rely very much on betting on the smallest possible node, to minimize power consumption.
- distances 6y ago
  > AMD would like to produce and sell mobile CPUs Any sources for this? As far as I know, AMD has never designed CPU for mobiles.
  - HeWhoLurksLate 6y ago
    As far as mobiles broadly, my laptop has a Ryzen CPU in it. It's not out of the question for them to consider such a move, but I think that the bigger issue here for AMD is that it means they will wind up a mode behind the edge, giving their main competitor- Intel- more time to catch up.

pault 6y ago

> And none of them work reliably. That is absurd. Last year I built a PC with off the shelf components that I spent about 30 minutes picking out, and all I had to do was stick the windows installer into the USB port to get everything set up perfectly out of the box. I have never had any reliability issues and I only reboot about once per month for updates. I used Apple products exclusively for a decade, but a contract role last year required me to use a Windows dev environment. I was holding my nose going in, but using WSL has been a joy and my MacBook is now collecting dust in the closet. In my experience most Mac purists that turn their nose up at commodity PCs haven't used one since MacBooks became the standard hip startup dev machine. Things have changed a lot in the last ten years. And let's not pretend that Mac hardware has been perfectly reliable lately. In fact, of my hand rolled desktop PC and my 2017 MacBook Pro, the PC has had far fewer hardware reliability issues. Apple's declining hardware quality and increasingly unjustifiable retail prices have pretty much chased me off the platform after 10+ years of fanatical loyalty.

pram 6y ago
Your statement is ridiculous. The last 10 years? When was the last time you used a windows laptop provisioned by a company with a big enterprise style IT department? You know, the ones bogged down with tons of endpoint security crap, Citrix daemons, compliance daemons etc. Its still a shitshow that you have to use Linux or MacOS to escape in many places.
- topranks 6y ago
  It’s a bit much to throw all that at the PC/Windows side. Sure companies fill them with shit, that’s not really a flaw in the underlying hardware/OS though. Those same people have less scope for that on OSX/Linux sure, but again that doesn’t mean the software/hardware is better.
- ben_w 6y ago
  Sounds like the issue is the big enterprise style IT departments rather than the hardware or the OS.
- mschuster91 6y ago

forty 6y ago

> And none of them work reliably. My experience is the opposite. In my team at work people have either recent Mac book pro or Thinkpad with Linux. And it seems like the ones on Macs have always all kind of issues (with zoom screen sharing, with openvpn/tunnelblick, with docker not working as expected, and lately, as it's hot in paris, cooling issues - I laughed as they were exchanging tips too cool their laptop with stuffs you can put in the freezer, because otherwise their computer would be so slow that some of our time sensitive tests would fail...)

toxik 6y ago
I use both and it’s leaps and bounds better using MacBooks for most things. Like putting your computer to sleep, or connecting external displays reliably.

stjohnswarts 6y ago

No PCs are reliable? That's just ignorance speaking there are tons of great PC models out that meet and exceed anything that apple does. You've got to be kidding, tongue in cheek, right?